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and applying this has been found and is

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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church on the game-changer radio network

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I need your help to get to the year

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math says how you doing it's Monday

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the new year just 302 days left

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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ra the planet I am your host Jimmy

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Church what is cracking everybody how

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it's all good kicking off a brand new

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show tonight very special guests Greg

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and Dana Newkirk are here we're gonna be

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Hellyer I pinched it over the weekend

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binging it too it is called hell you're

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available on amazon also Hellyer TV all

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tomorrow night Mitch Horowitz is here

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boarding benevolence all of that

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his Essex home in the UK that happened

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old of an apparent suicide and they are

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that's right that Penn State is planning

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to establish an international research

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version of SETI an initiative that would

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SETI research centers who would offer a

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generation of researchers the University

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donations totaling 3.5 million dollars

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incredible incredible State College

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intelligence incredible incredible River

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alright scientist now this this is about

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as mind-blowing as it gets if I'm gonna

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do some breaking news scientists have

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managed to give mice infrared night

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simple injection with no side effects

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raising the possibility of future human

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retinal cells and translating faint

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the spectrum so the mice see infrared

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goggles that is no joke incredible

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technology to guard against a growing

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today is 64 years old of course we know

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for your consideration a mighty wind so

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funny so cool Catherine O'Hara today is

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64 years old our dead guys birthday

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today is Antonio Vivaldi 1678 to 1741

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Seasons violin concertos happy birthday

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to Vivaldi actually has one name nobody

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says Antonio and save Vivaldi on this

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day in history OTD 1994 John Candy dies

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one-stoplight town five hundred thousand

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Newkirk are here we're gonna talk about

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their new series Helier which I did

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binge over the weekend it's a five-part

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docu series I got lots of email and

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there were the posts on Twitter and

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Facebook you know everybody go and check

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this out well I did and you should too

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and we're gonna go through all of that

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tonight

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discussing Hellyer it's absolutely an

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incredible documentary series and it's

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available on Amazon that's h-e-l-l-o ie

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our Hellyer we've also got the links for

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it over at Jimmy Church radio com

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tomorrow night Mitch Horowitz is back

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Wednesday night is our sole tech special

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event Thursday is another Fator night

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with open lines all night long also this

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Wednesday March 6th is the world

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premiere of

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boarding and benevolence our sole tech

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documentary it's really cool and the

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trailer is available we've had that up

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you can go and check that out but the

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movie is really really good ok now my

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River Moon coffee at this point of the

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show I want to stop the broadcast and

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just sip River Moon coffee

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fade to black Blount tweed hangout

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I wish I could just do that you know

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jump over in the chat rooms and just

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just drink River moon coffee because

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that's what this sip does incredible ok

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to to to to to I guess our bunker cam is

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down it's working on YouTube Drew is

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working on it he can't figure it out at

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this point but okay alright so that's

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the latest update from Drew my

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fascination with the UFO subject started

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when I was very young and I was like 8

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years old a little bit before that but

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the real stuff happened when I was 8 4th

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grade and my best friend at the time was

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John do Brava

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still lives in Chicago don't don't don't

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don't hunt down John but he's out there

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I've talked to him and he sat next to me

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and mrs. Lavery teased class and fourth

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grade and we would sit there and draw

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spaceships draw planes and flying

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saucers and we pretty much did this all

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day long you know we were we were taking

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class I mean we were in fourth grade but

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and we were doing the things that we

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needed to do whatever you know math and

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English and stuff but all day long man

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stacks of drawing paper notebooks book

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covers all that stuff drawing drawing

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those UFOs that's what we did you know

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and then we would go to the library we

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would read everything that we could find

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about our space program moon bases UFOs

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and each week we would watch space 1999

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alright and on UHF there was the program

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called UFO equally as good as space 1999

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space 1999 a little more high-tech and I

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thought that that was I don't know it's

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kind of a toss-up because UFO dealt with

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UFOs man I love that show both out of

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England by the way really really good

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stuff anyway we were all in at the time

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John de brava

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and myself well over the next four

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decades I've always felt that these

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crafts and those that pilot them you

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know are coming from deep space another

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solar system within our own Milky Way

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and for the most part I still do believe

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that this is the case but over the last

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ten years or so and certainly over the

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last six things for me are starting to

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change somewhat

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now first first more data and science is

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starting to come through and I talk

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about it often on the show and there is

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all of that all of the science whether

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it is you know hard science and then you

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have physics not only here on on earth

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but the astrophysics and the study of

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of the cosmos there's that but there's

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something else and that is the more that

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I talk to different researchers from

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different fields like cryptozoology or

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Bigfoot and religion you know ghosts

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channeling remote-viewing time travel

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right science and parallel world space

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astronomy history whatever and of course

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ufology it's the more that everything

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seems to overlap everything seems to be

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connected in some way I have done so

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broadcasting I had I had a view that was

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at that time somewhat changing that I

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felt that UFOs were possibly

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interdimensional or possibly that some

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UFOs may even be us you know time

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traveling from the future there's

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there's that element and I felt that

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there was something else going on other

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than just a straight spaceship somehow

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getting here from interstellar space you

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know and and as as the years have gone

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by and pulling me up to today there's

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there's something else going on

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everything is connected if you think

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about it angels demons reptilians you

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know flying craft ghosts channeling time

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travel parallel worlds you know and in

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contact with something other than us

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this is nothing new

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I'm not planning a flag here it's been

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talked about going back thousands of

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years and it's always been here with us

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we've talked about it constantly at

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every level of society every every

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civilization everything on this planet

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has been talking about all of these

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subjects strange things in the sky are

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not some modern thing it's not it's not

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since the Wright brothers or hot-air

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balloons

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knew no this goes back goes back and an

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information and and stuff from the stars

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in the heavens right ghosts the

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afterlife parallel worlds time travel

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that's been talked about for thousands

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of years so today where we have the

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technology for the most part for the

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very first time to find out what is

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going on from the quantum level you know

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the very smallest of the small all the

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way out to the edge of the known

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universe you know the biggest of the big

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we are finding some of the answers to

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the questions that have been around for

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a very long time and one of them is that

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everything is connected from that atomic

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level all the way to the farthest

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galaxies so for those that have wondered

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why Bigfoot can survive in the force and

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never be captured or you know we haven't

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found a body yet

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well maybe just maybe Sasquatch is

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something interdimensional or how a UFO

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can just appear or disappear in seconds

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right ghosts we know time travel is

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possible there's no question about it

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and how could all of this play into all

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of the paranormal and supernatural

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events that seemed to happen to nearly

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everyone every day all over the planet

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remember the big footprints that we

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found at East SETI up at he said.he

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ranch last August well there were just

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four and the biggest

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the clearest one was the first one with

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the other three

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you know curving to the right but there

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was nothing before or after those four

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it was like Bigfoot just appeared

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you know just appeared took a few steps

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and then poof gone I can't explain that

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I don't know the only thing that and

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I've always been a skeptic on Bigfoot

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and when I see something like this like

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evidence of the possibility of Bigfoot

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walking through this field where the

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footprints that were before it doesn't

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make any sense the first one is the

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clearest shouldn't there be something

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else from before there wasn't and then

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it just curved off and then stopped does

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it make any sense well I think that one

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day and one day very soon we'll find out

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that it's all connected and and that

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it's very simple and we can all just

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00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:03,480
kick back and go well make sense you

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00:25:11,930 --> 00:25:07,770
know okay we can move on and what I mean

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what I mean is this we'll all be able to

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accept that all of this is just a normal

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part of our lives

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right the folding of space-time travel

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parallel worlds and that to me is

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disclosure you know think about it for a

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second once something is figured out and

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I say it all the time once one domino

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falls and that we find out when you have

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physicists discussing things at the

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quantum level and interaction and

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entanglement and that goes off into

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quantum mechanics and an infinite

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parallel worlds and the interaction you

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know between them that's at a scientific

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00:26:04,010 --> 00:26:01,680
level of research but that's our

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00:26:07,310 --> 00:26:04,020
research - that's what we're looking

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into here and Einstein and time travel

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and time loops

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right whoa the inter dimension

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00:26:23,570 --> 00:26:20,240
how that ties into space and how quantum

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particles can react and entangle with

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others flying out to different places in

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the galaxy in the universe it's like

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wait a minute here that answers a lot of

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questions not only with space and and

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travel and insert and interstellar

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travel and faster than the speed of

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light it answers a lot of those

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questions but it also starts to connect

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to the electric and the electric

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universe and and channeling telepathy

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communication at faster than the speed

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of light all of this goes back down and

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is interconnected and goes right back to

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everything that we are dealing with

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today which is the afterlife and goes to

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parallel worlds and and an ET in the

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inter-dimensionally craft that seemed to

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appear and disappear I've seen it myself

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00:27:22,780 --> 00:27:20,400
and I can't explain what is going on

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00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:22,790
with that it doesn't make any sense

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00:27:29,450 --> 00:27:25,650
it's an unbelievable time to be alive

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and all of this goes right to our guest

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tonight

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00:27:35,860 --> 00:27:33,480
and that is Greg and Dana Newkirk this

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00:27:40,010 --> 00:27:35,870
new series this docu-series

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goes starts at one place starts at one

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specific spot and where it leads them

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we're gonna discuss all of this tonight

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is touching upon everything that I just

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discussed right now and it's all wrapped

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up in in one docu-series and it

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encompasses all of the guests that I've

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had on fade to black

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it's all starting to make some sense not

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00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:04,190
to say that some of these crafts are

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real nuts-and-bolts craft traveling

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00:28:12,620 --> 00:28:10,410
space okay I'm not saying suggesting

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that at all and I'm also not suggesting

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that Bigfoot quite possibly could be a

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species that doesn't want to be detected

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and he's firmly planted here and he's

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just hiding from us there's that too as

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well

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then there's all of the other questions

530
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:27,060
that lay out there so tonight our guests

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00:28:31,700 --> 00:28:29,370
are Greg and Dana Newkirk they're new

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00:28:34,460 --> 00:28:31,710
docu-series is called Hellyer we'll be

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00:28:37,490 --> 00:28:34,470
discussing all of that and the links for

534
00:28:39,890 --> 00:28:37,500
Hellyer and weird HQ their website are

535
00:28:41,270 --> 00:28:39,900
over at Jimmy Church radio calm this is

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00:28:43,810 --> 00:28:41,280
fade to black I'm you know Jimmy Church

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00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:43,820
follow me on twitter at J Church radio

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00:28:49,250 --> 00:28:46,320
email is Jimmy and Jimmy Turks radio

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calm from the GameChanger network and kg

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RA the planet I'll be right back after

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this short break

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we're tonight's guest Greg and Dana

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Newkirk stay with me

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[Music]

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this is Nicole Church daughter of

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you-know-who and you're listening to

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fade to black on Jimmy Church radio.com

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and the GameChanger Network you're

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poltergeist hauntings Dana is a

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well over two decades of experience in

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unexplained Dana began her career by

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forming the first ever all-female

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paranormal investigation team in the

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late 1990s the subject of spaces girly

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goes to other series she has been

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featured on The Learning Channel kindred

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spirits and destination America's

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welcome back to fade to black

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Greg and Dana Newkirk and welcome back

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and before I say what have you guys been

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up to well obviously we know the answer

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to that now and it's so good to hear

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your voices and and the series is pretty

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extraordinary and before we get to that

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and I do want to dive into it pretty

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quickly because there's so much to cover

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and even though this is a three-hour

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show we always run out of time

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and there's so many different paranormal

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and supernatural things that go down in

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this series that it's it's like a

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it done as we can there's one thing that

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I kind of want to start off here is that

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before you two got together I'm going to

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actually focus or push this towards Dana

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first Greg okay but before you two got

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together you guys were actually on the

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same type of career path in that you

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guys are very young and you and your

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friends are going into the paranormal

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world you know both of you were doing

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the same thing and in the beginning of

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the first episode you say Greg that you

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you've been doing this for 20 years or

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whatever but the first five years don't

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count right and now I want to throw that

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we're gonna discuss that but Dana do you

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have the same story did the first five

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years are those are those eeks made from

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the from the CV I think so yeah I mean

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the first five years for me was really

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trying to figure out what exactly we

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were looking into and what we were doing

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so there was sort of a lot of a lot of

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test testing and kind of just messing

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around and getting scared and going to

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places that you know we thought was

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haunted and it was just sort of a lot of

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that kind of stuff so I like to consider

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the first five years sort of my prep for

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me kind of then becoming taking it a

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little bit more seriously how how old

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were you at the beginning of the the

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paranormal journey early teens I I

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actually was I'm a little bit older than

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Greg so I was probably about eighteen

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but around eighteen when I first kind of

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formed girly ghost hunters and yeah we

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were kind of like a group of young

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ladies that were just really into the

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paranormal and really into kind of

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investigating it so we would just kind

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of go out to all of the local places

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where I grew

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and you know investigate them looking

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for activity well everybody's got the

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the story of the the house in the

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neighborhood that's haunted right is

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that what you guys did first absolutely

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well originally our our big thing with

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cemeteries because you know you could go

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there at night and you didn't have to

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ask permission most of the time or at

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least we didn't ask question but yeah we

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were always into like looking into the

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finding whatever place in our in our

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town was sort of like had that had that

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story attached to it and we wanted to

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see whether or not it was legitimately

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haunted but yeah we were totally looking

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looking for that perfect Stephen King

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haunted house we I'll say this

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cemeteries freaked me out during the day

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right there's right yeah yeah they're

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scary and I have never and never will

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go to a cemetery at night just asking

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for you're asking for challenge yeah

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yeah you're asking why why volunteer

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yourself for it every ditch is crazy but

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that when I was growing up there was

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there was the there were woods next to

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our junior high school PS 103 in

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Indianapolis and you can go and look and

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the woods are still there and there was

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this concrete like asphalt pathway that

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cut through the woods you could cross

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38th Street and and take the back

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entrance to the junior high school which

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is where I walked every day right but in

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these woods off to your left when you're

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walking towards the school was a house

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an abandoned house and it wasn't an old

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house it was just like a suburban brick

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home that had all the windows knocked

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out of it and was sitting out there in

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the woods and I'd walk by it every day

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and one day after school me and a couple

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of friends decide to walk over and you

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know everybody said it was haunted and I

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walked and I told the story before on

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the air and I walked into the living

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room and on the floor which was wooden

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was burnt my memory says it was burnt it

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00:40:42,130 --> 00:40:39,860
was black pentagram with a circle and it

776
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:42,140
was like 10 foot in diameter right right

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00:40:45,940 --> 00:40:44,330
in front of the fireplace I'm like man

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00:40:52,420 --> 00:40:45,950
I'm out of here

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00:40:54,310 --> 00:40:52,430
I did I did it's so I never went back

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00:40:55,780 --> 00:40:54,320
you know I was you're supposed to light

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00:40:59,410 --> 00:40:55,790
some candles and lay down in the middle

782
00:41:04,000 --> 00:40:59,420
of it it freaked me out this was this is

783
00:41:07,660 --> 00:41:04,010
I'm gonna say 1974 now what a wasted

784
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:07,670
opportunity right so there you go but

785
00:41:13,330 --> 00:41:09,410
we've all got those houses in our

786
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neighborhoods don't we yeah and and for

787
00:41:18,460 --> 00:41:16,070
you yeah for you Greg okay let's switch

788
00:41:24,580 --> 00:41:18,470
over to you because this is where this

789
00:41:28,810 --> 00:41:24,590
story kicks off you had your little crew

790
00:41:31,390 --> 00:41:28,820
of friends that we're doing this and you

791
00:41:35,380 --> 00:41:31,400
guys had the vision of starting a

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website oddly enough this is the first

793
00:41:41,230 --> 00:41:38,810
five years of your life that that that

794
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:41,240
earn of the professional realm but it

795
00:41:46,990 --> 00:41:43,040
turns out it's the reason for this

796
00:41:50,020 --> 00:41:47,000
series yeah we you know we were just a

797
00:41:51,730 --> 00:41:50,030
bunch of 12 13 year old kids and we

798
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:51,740
watched too much Buffy the Vampire

799
00:41:55,900 --> 00:41:53,930
Slayer next Files and unsolved mystery

800
00:41:57,460 --> 00:41:55,910
isn't that kind of thing and we started

801
00:42:00,010 --> 00:41:57,470
because we were gonna go and take one of

802
00:42:02,260 --> 00:42:00,020
our friends into the cemetery and we had

803
00:42:04,060 --> 00:42:02,270
our older friends hiding and this dates

804
00:42:08,410 --> 00:42:04,070
it a little bit because they were making

805
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:08,420
like the Blair Witch symbols with twigs

806
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:10,400
and they'd set the cemetery up with

807
00:42:15,130 --> 00:42:13,280
fishing line and stuff like that and we

808
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:15,140
had such a good time scaring our friend

809
00:42:19,720 --> 00:42:17,210
we thought well let's start going to

810
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:19,730
cemeteries for real and the first time

811
00:42:22,510 --> 00:42:21,440
we did was the cemeteries mining

812
00:42:27,330 --> 00:42:22,520
cemetery out in the middle of nowhere

813
00:42:29,650 --> 00:42:27,340
and we had so much activity that we

814
00:42:31,900 --> 00:42:29,660
immediately went oh my god monsters are

815
00:42:34,090 --> 00:42:31,910
real we can actually we can actually

816
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:34,100
hunt these things so we started reading

817
00:42:39,850 --> 00:42:36,890
books by Hans Holzer and the Warrens and

818
00:42:41,590 --> 00:42:39,860
all that good stuff and then we we we

819
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started a website we started a really

820
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:43,790
crappy geo city's website

821
00:42:48,430 --> 00:42:45,650
with the Geocities page builder and

822
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:48,440
these pictures of us with medieval

823
00:42:56,590 --> 00:42:52,000
weapons and it just absolute absurdity

824
00:43:00,010 --> 00:42:56,600
ridiculousness and we it became

825
00:43:01,780 --> 00:43:00,020
something of a small cult following in

826
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:01,790
our high school because everyone wanted

827
00:43:06,730 --> 00:43:03,650
to know what kind of adventures we were

828
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:06,740
going on and one thing led to another

829
00:43:10,780 --> 00:43:08,810
and we were just out every single

830
00:43:12,970 --> 00:43:10,790
weekend sometimes on weeknights sneaking

831
00:43:14,890 --> 00:43:12,980
out of the house I had to wear my soccer

832
00:43:17,710 --> 00:43:14,900
cleats because my dad used to check the

833
00:43:19,590 --> 00:43:17,720
shoes out in the front room because I

834
00:43:23,620 --> 00:43:19,600
snuck out so much

835
00:43:24,940 --> 00:43:23,630
really that's what started it that's and

836
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:24,950
eventually as we went you know we

837
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:26,000
realized things got a little more

838
00:43:31,090 --> 00:43:29,330
serious and you know as these things

839
00:43:32,860 --> 00:43:31,100
tend to do everybody grew up and

840
00:43:35,020 --> 00:43:32,870
everybody went to college and people got

841
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:35,030
jobs and lives and Ghost Hunters

842
00:43:40,570 --> 00:43:37,850
incorporated just sort of dissolved but

843
00:43:43,060 --> 00:43:40,580
the website sat there and we just kind

844
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:43,070
of kept it up for a while and anyone who

845
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:45,410
found it found this website run by a

846
00:43:51,850 --> 00:43:47,570
what looked like a bunch of teenage kids

847
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:51,860
with battle-axes and why the pictures

848
00:43:58,300 --> 00:43:54,800
are pretty cool and this is all laid out

849
00:44:00,190 --> 00:43:58,310
really well in inhaler and in the first

850
00:44:02,590 --> 00:44:00,200
episode and and we're gonna stay right

851
00:44:06,130 --> 00:44:02,600
here for a second because it is truly

852
00:44:08,830 --> 00:44:06,140
key and truer words have never been

853
00:44:11,350 --> 00:44:08,840
spoken and that is when you least expect

854
00:44:14,020 --> 00:44:11,360
it right when you least expect it and

855
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:14,030
then and that's what happened here

856
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:21,890
but the idea for Hellyer how did that

857
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:25,520
actually come about in that you were

858
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:27,530
sitting on all of this data which we're

859
00:44:31,630 --> 00:44:29,810
gonna go through right now you were

860
00:44:34,330 --> 00:44:31,640
sitting on all of that did you think it

861
00:44:38,050 --> 00:44:34,340
was going to be a series or were you

862
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:38,060
just documenting you know this this you

863
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:42,560
know this investigation no we we had no

864
00:44:47,530 --> 00:44:44,720
intention you know it kind of just

865
00:44:49,630 --> 00:44:47,540
stalled out and the where we had left

866
00:44:51,700 --> 00:44:49,640
the case was there just wasn't a whole

867
00:44:53,170 --> 00:44:51,710
lot that we we felt we could do with it

868
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:53,180
and you know we got really busy and we

869
00:44:57,660 --> 00:44:55,520
started to do you know we were working

870
00:44:59,250 --> 00:44:57,670
for a start-up here in Cincinnati

871
00:45:00,900 --> 00:44:59,260
working 14-hour days we just didn't

872
00:45:04,650 --> 00:45:00,910
really have time to pursue much of that

873
00:45:06,450 --> 00:45:04,660
type of stuff and when the idea of to do

874
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:06,460
the the series came about was actually

875
00:45:12,210 --> 00:45:09,520
our friend Carl Pfeiffer he was

876
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:12,220
listening to an old radio show I'd done

877
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:13,690
where I was talking about the case

878
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:16,210
it wasn't anything new he just had found

879
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:19,210
it and was listening to it and as he was

880
00:45:24,690 --> 00:45:22,450
listening to me talk about this case he

881
00:45:28,140 --> 00:45:24,700
was on Twitter just tweeting about it

882
00:45:30,359 --> 00:45:28,150
and in the feed he sees an article from

883
00:45:33,930 --> 00:45:30,369
our website we can weird that we had

884
00:45:36,660 --> 00:45:33,940
written years and years ago post about

885
00:45:38,339 --> 00:45:36,670
this case in Helier and he kind of

886
00:45:40,589 --> 00:45:38,349
messaged me and was like hey you know

887
00:45:42,059 --> 00:45:40,599
good timing you know thank you for

888
00:45:43,650 --> 00:45:42,069
throwing that up and I was like dude I

889
00:45:46,980 --> 00:45:43,660
didn't do that he's like what do you

890
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:46,990
mean I said well we have a an app on the

891
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:48,730
website that just takes old content

892
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:50,410
evergreen content insurance it to the

893
00:45:54,510 --> 00:45:52,480
top so it doesn't get lost and it

894
00:45:58,140 --> 00:45:54,520
randomly picked that while he was

895
00:46:00,870 --> 00:45:58,150
listening to this radio show out of like

896
00:46:02,609 --> 00:46:00,880
1,700 articles or something and it was

897
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:02,619
just this strange synchronicity that

898
00:46:07,170 --> 00:46:05,530
Carl said okay I think something's

899
00:46:09,329 --> 00:46:07,180
telling me we need to go do this now I

900
00:46:11,039 --> 00:46:09,339
think this is the right time and I mean

901
00:46:14,039 --> 00:46:11,049
we even kind of fought him a little bit

902
00:46:15,690 --> 00:46:14,049
because we we didn't know exactly what

903
00:46:19,260 --> 00:46:15,700
we were gonna find out and it didn't

904
00:46:21,780 --> 00:46:19,270
seem like a very sure thing but he

905
00:46:24,539 --> 00:46:21,790
insisted and so a few months later he

906
00:46:26,039 --> 00:46:24,549
showed up in Cincinnati and he was the

907
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:26,049
first person we ever told the name of

908
00:46:33,839 --> 00:46:29,680
the town to now this is I want to throw

909
00:46:36,780 --> 00:46:33,849
this at Dana because Greg just mentioned

910
00:46:40,980 --> 00:46:36,790
the key word here at least for me after

911
00:46:44,339 --> 00:46:40,990
I have watched all five episodes that

912
00:46:47,730 --> 00:46:44,349
this series which is about the

913
00:46:49,470 --> 00:46:47,740
supernatural and UFOs and ET and ghosts

914
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:49,480
and paranormal and goblins and

915
00:46:56,299 --> 00:46:52,450
everything but it's not about that it's

916
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:56,309
about chasing and identifying

917
00:47:01,260 --> 00:46:58,960
synchronicities that's what this series

918
00:47:07,010 --> 00:47:01,270
is about and and and following your

919
00:47:10,829 --> 00:47:07,020
intuition yeah I mean it was undeniable

920
00:47:13,259 --> 00:47:10,839
once we as a group arrived in

921
00:47:16,019 --> 00:47:13,269
and all of the synchronicities were

922
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:16,029
lining up over and over and over and

923
00:47:20,969 --> 00:47:18,130
over again it was undeniable at that

924
00:47:22,829 --> 00:47:20,979
point to not recognize that really what

925
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:22,839
we were doing was investigating this

926
00:47:29,159 --> 00:47:25,359
phenomena this phenomena of high

927
00:47:32,219 --> 00:47:29,169
strangeness of just weirdness that might

928
00:47:34,019 --> 00:47:32,229
not make sense in the moment but as you

929
00:47:35,569 --> 00:47:34,029
continue kind of going further and

930
00:47:38,009 --> 00:47:35,579
further and further down the rabbit hole

931
00:47:40,409 --> 00:47:38,019
things start to line up and things start

932
00:47:43,019 --> 00:47:40,419
to make sense and what at one point in

933
00:47:45,689 --> 00:47:43,029
time seemed incredibly strange suddenly

934
00:47:48,419 --> 00:47:45,699
is you know an important piece of your

935
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:48,429
investigation so yeah it was really the

936
00:47:52,799 --> 00:47:50,319
synchronicities were really what were

937
00:47:55,259 --> 00:47:52,809
kind of driving us forward and giving us

938
00:47:56,819 --> 00:47:55,269
direction in it at a certain point they

939
00:47:59,309 --> 00:47:56,829
were happening so often that we just

940
00:48:02,429 --> 00:47:59,319
decided I mean let's follow it let's run

941
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:02,439
with it it was the most fun part of of

942
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:06,130
this was you guys recognizing these

943
00:48:10,409 --> 00:48:09,130
events as they started to pop up which

944
00:48:13,049 --> 00:48:10,419
seem to be endless

945
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:13,059
but it's recognizing it and and

946
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:15,609
following up on it and what is sad is

947
00:48:21,299 --> 00:48:18,640
how many people go through life ignoring

948
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:21,309
synchronicities right and not not

949
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:23,650
seizing the moment and going and chasing

950
00:48:28,679 --> 00:48:26,890
after something they choose to just a

951
00:48:31,799 --> 00:48:28,689
synchronicities come on you know that's

952
00:48:33,899 --> 00:48:31,809
you know and if you guys didn't do that

953
00:48:37,469 --> 00:48:33,909
there would there would not be a hell

954
00:48:40,019 --> 00:48:37,479
year today yeah they were I mean they

955
00:48:42,539 --> 00:48:40,029
were the road signs for us they were

956
00:48:45,390 --> 00:48:42,549
what we're pointing us in the directions

957
00:48:46,649 --> 00:48:45,400
that we we would run in so yet you're

958
00:48:48,569 --> 00:48:46,659
absolutely right I think the more that

959
00:48:51,659 --> 00:48:48,579
you embrace them and the more that you

960
00:48:53,309 --> 00:48:51,669
recognize the sacred cities in your life

961
00:48:55,049 --> 00:48:53,319
the more you start to experience them

962
00:48:58,409 --> 00:48:55,059
because you're sort of in the phenomena

963
00:49:01,640 --> 00:48:58,419
at that point okay so now let's go let's

964
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:05,360
you guys go in your separate ways the

965
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:07,650
original crew right Ghost Hunters Inc I

966
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:10,290
think is what it was called yep and you

967
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:12,570
guys go your separate ways but there was

968
00:49:20,420 --> 00:49:15,650
an email link that stayed live on this

969
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:20,430
Geocities website and you decided to

970
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:25,410
check your email one day yeah we I was

971
00:49:29,210 --> 00:49:27,690
living in Canada at the time Dana and I

972
00:49:34,060 --> 00:49:29,220
had kind of hopped around the country

973
00:49:36,140 --> 00:49:34,070
and this was about what was this 2012 I

974
00:49:39,350 --> 00:49:36,150
hopped around the country and Dan and I

975
00:49:40,460 --> 00:49:39,360
had done the on-and-off thing in an

976
00:49:41,630 --> 00:49:40,470
event it was my turn

977
00:49:45,620 --> 00:49:41,640
so I was in Canada I was going through

978
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:45,630
Canadian immigration and you know GHI

979
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:48,690
that had been dead for years the website

980
00:49:53,660 --> 00:49:51,210
just kind of sat there occasionally we

981
00:49:54,890 --> 00:49:53,670
got some emails to it most the time it

982
00:49:56,420 --> 00:49:54,900
was just people who thought that we were

983
00:50:01,480 --> 00:49:56,430
from the sci-fi channel show Ghost

984
00:50:03,830 --> 00:50:01,490
Hunters so one night my email dings and

985
00:50:06,830 --> 00:50:03,840
it's actually the Ghost Hunters

986
00:50:10,100 --> 00:50:06,840
incorporated email and I thought well

987
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:10,110
that's interesting because the subject

988
00:50:15,710 --> 00:50:12,240
line was something the effect of urgent

989
00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:15,720
need help please respond and I opened it

990
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:17,730
up and it was from this guy said his

991
00:50:24,260 --> 00:50:21,450
name was David Christie and he laid out

992
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:24,270
the story about how there were these

993
00:50:28,940 --> 00:50:27,090
creatures coming out of mine shaft on

994
00:50:31,610 --> 00:50:28,950
the edge of his property in Hellyer

995
00:50:34,700 --> 00:50:31,620
Kentucky which is a very rural coal town

996
00:50:36,500 --> 00:50:34,710
in Eastern Kentucky and they were

997
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:36,510
tapping on his children's windows at

998
00:50:42,380 --> 00:50:39,210
night they were doing weird things like

999
00:50:44,660 --> 00:50:42,390
taking the wreaths off of his door and

1000
00:50:46,820 --> 00:50:44,670
shoving it in his mailbox and going

1001
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:46,830
through his his his storage shed and

1002
00:50:55,010 --> 00:50:49,770
frightening his family the guy seemed to

1003
00:50:56,180 --> 00:50:55,020
be very terrified and I initially kind

1004
00:50:57,710 --> 00:50:56,190
of brushed it off because I thought

1005
00:51:00,710 --> 00:50:57,720
somebody was playing a trick on me

1006
00:51:02,900 --> 00:51:00,720
because there was no reason for an email

1007
00:51:04,340 --> 00:51:02,910
to go to this email account one of the

1008
00:51:07,310 --> 00:51:04,350
things that he said is he said our

1009
00:51:08,300 --> 00:51:07,320
mutual friend told me to contact you and

1010
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:08,310
said you're well-equipped to handle

1011
00:51:12,500 --> 00:51:10,890
these things anyone who went to that web

1012
00:51:13,860 --> 00:51:12,510
site would know right away we were not

1013
00:51:18,180 --> 00:51:13,870
we

1014
00:51:20,700 --> 00:51:18,190
holding you know torches in in bowling

1015
00:51:23,070 --> 00:51:20,710
shirts yes right these are the guys to

1016
00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:23,080
handle this problem I need some 15 year

1017
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:27,520
olds on my case didn't make any sense

1018
00:51:32,370 --> 00:51:29,770
right I thought okay one of my friends

1019
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:32,380
is putting me on and I responded much

1020
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:34,210
the way I do to some of the crazier

1021
00:51:38,340 --> 00:51:35,890
emails we get and I just said

1022
00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:38,350
straight-faced well listen that's really

1023
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:40,960
interesting we'd love to help you need

1024
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:43,330
to give me some more details do you have

1025
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:45,850
photographs of these things give me some

1026
00:51:49,170 --> 00:51:47,290
evidence that this is happening and

1027
00:51:52,230 --> 00:51:49,180
we'll do our best to find some help for

1028
00:51:55,170 --> 00:51:52,240
you now I want to I want to jump in at

1029
00:51:56,970 --> 00:51:55,180
this point the question that you're

1030
00:51:59,460 --> 00:51:56,980
going to answer in a second is how long

1031
00:52:02,760 --> 00:51:59,470
did it take him to respond but I want to

1032
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:02,770
say this that letter which is read in

1033
00:52:12,770 --> 00:52:08,410
its entirety in episode 1 literally sent

1034
00:52:16,740 --> 00:52:12,780
chills down my spine that was a pretty

1035
00:52:19,860 --> 00:52:16,750
terrifying letter it was pretty

1036
00:52:22,350 --> 00:52:19,870
extraordinary especially the parts about

1037
00:52:25,530 --> 00:52:22,360
his daughter and and what was happening

1038
00:52:27,660 --> 00:52:25,540
at the bedroom window and and so for

1039
00:52:30,990 --> 00:52:27,670
everybody when you go see Helier pay

1040
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:31,000
attention to that that letter and the

1041
00:52:37,020 --> 00:52:32,800
entire thing is right ok so how long did

1042
00:52:38,670 --> 00:52:37,030
it take for him to reply it didn't take

1043
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:38,680
too long I if I remember correctly only

1044
00:52:46,100 --> 00:52:41,920
took like a week or two and he responded

1045
00:52:49,650 --> 00:52:46,110
and actually sent photographs of these

1046
00:52:52,020 --> 00:52:49,660
three-toed footprints that were coming

1047
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:52,030
from the the creek that led to the mine

1048
00:52:58,410 --> 00:52:55,810
shaft by his property and that was when

1049
00:53:00,240 --> 00:52:58,420
I went oh maybe something's going on

1050
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:00,250
here because they were striking

1051
00:53:05,340 --> 00:53:03,490
photographs the first thing we did is I

1052
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:05,350
took them and I posted them on my

1053
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:07,810
Facebook account and I just asked my

1054
00:53:11,850 --> 00:53:09,610
friends you know doing this long enough

1055
00:53:13,740 --> 00:53:11,860
you know you meet lots of interesting

1056
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:13,750
people that's one of my favorite parts I

1057
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:15,370
know tons of people who are experts at

1058
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:17,440
stuff that I am NOT an expert at so I

1059
00:53:22,350 --> 00:53:20,410
wanted to see what my friends who you

1060
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:22,360
know worked in nature thought about

1061
00:53:26,430 --> 00:53:23,920
these things what my Bigfoot hunter

1062
00:53:28,740 --> 00:53:26,440
friends thought about these things and

1063
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:28,750
you know no one could seem to figure out

1064
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:30,610
exactly what made them but what was

1065
00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:32,290
really interesting was the Bigfoot

1066
00:53:37,700 --> 00:53:34,720
hunters in particular were really caught

1067
00:53:39,690 --> 00:53:37,710
up by these things called dermal ridges

1068
00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:39,700
they're one of the things that Bigfoot

1069
00:53:44,340 --> 00:53:41,680
hunters look for in their tracks to see

1070
00:53:46,290 --> 00:53:44,350
if the tracks are real or fake and these

1071
00:53:49,140 --> 00:53:46,300
prints had dermal ridges which are

1072
00:53:51,540 --> 00:53:49,150
basically like they're like fingerprints

1073
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:51,550
for the for the foot clear is about

1074
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:55,930
clear as a bell I couldn't believe when

1075
00:54:01,590 --> 00:53:58,240
they popped up I was like well look at

1076
00:54:03,900 --> 00:54:01,600
that I see fingerprints yeah absolutely

1077
00:54:05,780 --> 00:54:03,910
they were I mean it's it's it's like you

1078
00:54:09,090 --> 00:54:05,790
said clear as a bell it's right there

1079
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:09,100
but they were really striking three toed

1080
00:54:14,100 --> 00:54:11,770
prints the likes of which I'd not seen

1081
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:14,110
before some Bigfoot hunters said they

1082
00:54:16,770 --> 00:54:15,490
looked reminiscent of some of the

1083
00:54:20,850 --> 00:54:16,780
Bigfoot tracks that they've seen but

1084
00:54:22,380 --> 00:54:20,860
they were much much smaller so the first

1085
00:54:24,450 --> 00:54:22,390
thing I his I emailed him back and I

1086
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said well okay you've got to tell me

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more this is really interesting you've

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got my attention now and then it wasn't

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too long before he sent me a whole other

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set of prints and this time they had

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like a measuring stick next to them and

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then he also sent me photographs of what

1093
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he claimed were the creatures these ones

1094
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weren't quite as striking they were in

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in typical paranormal fashion very

1096
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blurry hard to make out but if you look

1097
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at the photos it looks like the one of

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them looks like something peeking around

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a tree a little tiny pale figure with

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like an arm that looks like it's

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reaching around a tree you can see a

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shoulder you can see a shoulder which I

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thought was pretty cool yeah you can see

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the shoulder you can see the round head

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and it almost looks luminescent which is

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a really interesting detail because what

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we started to compare this case to was

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the case of the Hopkinsville goblins but

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back in 1955 on the other side of

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Kentucky they these creatures were said

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to be luminescent like they glowed so

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that was a really interesting detail the

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the whatever this thing was in this

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photo

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looked like it glowed and then there was

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another photograph that looked like a

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side profile and the side profile when

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you lighten it up looks quite a bit like

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your typical

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gray alien you can kind of see the high

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cheekbone the big black eye and the

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pointy chin and he had taken these after

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he had already fled his home oh that's

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right we left out we left out that

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detail right so he was there and with

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his family and then when he wrote back

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he said you know what had to split so

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being the family have left I came back

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for a few days and and I took these

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pictures and I'm sending him to you now

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yeah and he had gone back with his

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things brother-in-law to collect some of

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their stuff and sure enough they came

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out of the out of the forest so he sent

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me these photos and I said okay I'm in I

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you know I am stuck in Canada right now

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I don't know when I'll be able to get

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down give me your address

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give me your detail give me a phone

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number anything because I'm very

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interested let's let's do this let's go

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now moment I heard from him together

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that was my question what was the next

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time you heard from him

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never again that was dropped off the map

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crazy crazy turn of events here and all

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of the photographs are pretty compelling

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and what we have here now we're gonna

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pick up when we come back I'm gonna head

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towards a break but what we have here

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now is what appears to be a UFO case you

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know an et contact case because those

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look like greys right that's what it

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looks like in in the pictures he says

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they're coming out of these caves but

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for me at this point of Hellyer we've

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got us a UFO encounter of the third kind

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and where this goes next yeah it gets

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crazier and crazier and crazier our

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guest tonight our Greg and Dana new Kurt

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Greg right there and we've got it all up

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on Twitter this is where I want to go to

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next in that everything is connected

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right John keel talked about it and of

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course a keel is referenced throughout

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the documentary series but everything is

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connected but at this point you guys are

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going into it at the top of the curve

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here you know with only the letter and

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these photographs I want to ask you Dana

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where did you think this was headed at

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this point I I think for me I had kind

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of personally gone through a bit of a

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rollercoaster with it so initially I was

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really skeptical then when we received

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the photos you know they were pretty

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incredible and it was hard to deny that

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there was something legitimately strange

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going going on so I was hoping that what

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what would happen is that we would be

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able to find this person and sit down

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with him and have him give us his not oh

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not only what he had already told us

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kind of in a face-to-face capacity but I

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wanted to know what was going on and

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what had been going on since he it's you

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know stopped emailing us well and you

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you come from the paranormal side of the

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fence so were you leaning towards

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something crypto something of that

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nature or were you thinking et I think

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initially my brain instantly went to the

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kind of cryptid space and that is mostly

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just because you know the footprints we

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had a little bit of experience at that

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point in the Bigfoot space right so for

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me the footprints they were this kind of

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tangible piece of evidence

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that I could sort of lock into and focus

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on so yeah initially I was really in the

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headspace of sort of again a cryptid

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space but that that changed as we

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continued along on our investigation and

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how about you Greg

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where were you leaning Oh a hundred

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percent cryptid I you know one of the

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things that David had mentioned in his

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emails was that he believed that the

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creatures were extraterrestrial and

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while that's interesting to me you don't

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typically when people talk about cases

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of abduction and Close Encounters you

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don't typically get footprints with

1350
01:06:20,740 --> 01:06:18,980
those types of things and so I I just

1351
01:06:21,940 --> 01:06:20,750
thought that somebody had put this weird

1352
01:06:24,700 --> 01:06:21,950
idea in his head that it was

1353
01:06:26,290 --> 01:06:24,710
extraterrestrial maybe it was some kind

1354
01:06:29,050 --> 01:06:26,300
of cryptid maybe it was some sort of uh

1355
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:29,060
you know kind of like the the lizard the

1356
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:30,970
Bishopville lizard man or whatever

1357
01:06:37,630 --> 01:06:34,490
that's where my head was at if it wasn't

1358
01:06:38,980 --> 01:06:37,640
just someone trying to pull our leg it

1359
01:06:41,050 --> 01:06:38,990
was kind of a toss-up between then

1360
01:06:42,730 --> 01:06:41,060
between those two and it wasn't really

1361
01:06:44,950 --> 01:06:42,740
like Dana said it wasn't until we

1362
01:06:47,620 --> 01:06:44,960
actually started to get into Helier and

1363
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:47,630
talk to people and see what kind of

1364
01:06:51,190 --> 01:06:49,850
experiences we were having that our

1365
01:06:54,370 --> 01:06:51,200
minds were changed on that

1366
01:06:58,540 --> 01:06:54,380
now Helier was another synchronicity too

1367
01:07:02,800 --> 01:06:58,550
as well that popped up with all of you

1368
01:07:05,890 --> 01:07:02,810
including carl very strange how the word

1369
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:05,900
gets mentioned when you hadn't said

1370
01:07:15,910 --> 01:07:09,290
anything in social media about the

1371
01:07:20,890 --> 01:07:15,920
location right it was to just give a bit

1372
01:07:24,190 --> 01:07:20,900
of backstory here we in 2013 we started

1373
01:07:26,620 --> 01:07:24,200
to shoe a web series and on that web

1374
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:26,630
series we were going to tackle a bunch

1375
01:07:33,220 --> 01:07:30,890
of different things so Bigfoot alien

1376
01:07:34,780 --> 01:07:33,230
abduction we hung out with vampires like

1377
01:07:36,340 --> 01:07:34,790
you name it we want to do the weirdest

1378
01:07:38,170 --> 01:07:36,350
stuff possible and the whole idea was

1379
01:07:41,050 --> 01:07:38,180
you know engage the strange so we were

1380
01:07:44,470 --> 01:07:41,060
gonna just go all at it one of these

1381
01:07:46,780 --> 01:07:44,480
episodes that we shot was we wanted to

1382
01:07:48,700 --> 01:07:46,790
get abducted by aliens yeah we talked

1383
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:48,710
about yeah we talked about that last

1384
01:07:53,620 --> 01:07:51,650
time you're on the show mmm-hmm yeah so

1385
01:07:54,500 --> 01:07:53,630
one of the places that we went to was we

1386
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:54,510
went to

1387
01:07:57,710 --> 01:07:56,130
Mountain North Carolina where people

1388
01:07:59,540 --> 01:07:57,720
have seen these strange lights no one

1389
01:08:01,640 --> 01:07:59,550
can seem to figure out what causes them

1390
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:01,650
there's stories of alien abduction there

1391
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:03,570
we thought okay this is our best bet

1392
01:08:08,570 --> 01:08:05,730
if we go here we've got the best chance

1393
01:08:09,950 --> 01:08:08,580
of getting abducted so we went we hung

1394
01:08:12,530 --> 01:08:09,960
out with our friend Micah Hanks there

1395
01:08:15,770 --> 01:08:12,540
and one of the things that you know he'd

1396
01:08:17,060 --> 01:08:15,780
mentioned there there's a this this

1397
01:08:19,340 --> 01:08:17,070
person told me that there's a

1398
01:08:21,350 --> 01:08:19,350
underground alien cave base here you

1399
01:08:23,030 --> 01:08:21,360
want to go look for it you know I it was

1400
01:08:24,770 --> 01:08:23,040
just a fun thing like he didn't take it

1401
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:24,780
seriously we didn't take it seriously

1402
01:08:30,230 --> 01:08:28,050
and we found this cave opening and that

1403
01:08:33,470 --> 01:08:30,240
was that so we finished the rest of our

1404
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:33,480
shoot we get back home and then an email

1405
01:08:39,500 --> 01:08:36,210
pops up and it says why did you stop

1406
01:08:41,180 --> 01:08:39,510
when you were so close one week and it

1407
01:08:46,940 --> 01:08:41,190
was from a guy who called himself

1408
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:46,950
Terry wrist obviously a play on Terry

1409
01:08:52,250 --> 01:08:50,250
wrist terrorist mm-hmm and I thought

1410
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:52,260
well okay you know we get weird emails

1411
01:08:57,470 --> 01:08:55,290
quite a bit okay fine we'll see what

1412
01:09:00,560 --> 01:08:57,480
happens in a week a week later I got

1413
01:09:03,500 --> 01:09:00,570
another email and it said Helier was

1414
01:09:06,430 --> 01:09:03,510
just a symptom the door is closed the

1415
01:09:08,660 --> 01:09:06,440
window is open used the numbers and

1416
01:09:12,110 --> 01:09:08,670
there was an attachment and it was a

1417
01:09:15,170 --> 01:09:12,120
photograph of a slip of paper that had a

1418
01:09:17,300 --> 01:09:15,180
series of numbers written on it we

1419
01:09:19,730 --> 01:09:17,310
thought at first again like we did with

1420
01:09:22,790 --> 01:09:19,740
everything we put it on Facebook what is

1421
01:09:24,710 --> 01:09:22,800
this what does this mean there were a

1422
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:24,720
few other little phrases and words on

1423
01:09:27,980 --> 01:09:25,890
there that we couldn't quite figure out

1424
01:09:29,930 --> 01:09:27,990
some symbols but somebody said oh that's

1425
01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:29,940
a credit card number so we took it down

1426
01:09:33,020 --> 01:09:31,440
immediately because we didn't want we

1427
01:09:35,420 --> 01:09:33,030
didn't know what this was for and we

1428
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:35,430
didn't want you know to accidentally put

1429
01:09:39,650 --> 01:09:37,770
someone's banking information online but

1430
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:39,660
it wasn't until a few hours later

1431
01:09:45,980 --> 01:09:42,290
another one of our friends said no no no

1432
01:09:48,830 --> 01:09:45,990
that is a that's a GPS coordinate and

1433
01:09:50,930 --> 01:09:48,840
the GPS coordinates went to Brown

1434
01:09:54,650 --> 01:09:50,940
Mountain where we had just been recently

1435
01:09:56,390 --> 01:09:54,660
that was what scared me the for the

1436
01:09:58,340 --> 01:09:56,400
first time in the case because we had

1437
01:10:00,050 --> 01:09:58,350
never told anyone the name of the town

1438
01:10:01,850 --> 01:10:00,060
we'd never said the name of the town

1439
01:10:06,500 --> 01:10:01,860
anyway we were very careful about that

1440
01:10:08,359 --> 01:10:06,510
and for someone to know where we had

1441
01:10:11,660 --> 01:10:08,369
been on Brown Mountain

1442
01:10:12,919 --> 01:10:11,670
was a little disconcerting so that was

1443
01:10:15,979 --> 01:10:12,929
the first time in the case that I felt

1444
01:10:17,870 --> 01:10:15,989
really nervous and the only reference I

1445
01:10:21,740 --> 01:10:17,880
could find to this tarry wrist character

1446
01:10:24,169 --> 01:10:21,750
was in a series of books there were two

1447
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:24,179
books that came out in the early 90s by

1448
01:10:31,459 --> 01:10:28,290
Allan Greenfield pretty obscure by

1449
01:10:33,979 --> 01:10:31,469
normal paranormal standards there was

1450
01:10:37,550 --> 01:10:33,989
basically about how to summon UFOs and

1451
01:10:40,839 --> 01:10:37,560
speak to UFOs using an old code that

1452
01:10:43,910 --> 01:10:40,849
Aleister Crowley had been given by

1453
01:10:47,780 --> 01:10:43,920
Aiwass this extraterrestrial

1454
01:10:50,839 --> 01:10:47,790
intelligence in Egypt and it was I mean

1455
01:10:52,459 --> 01:10:50,849
super fringe by by normal standards not

1456
01:10:54,470 --> 01:10:52,469
the type of stuff that I had ever really

1457
01:10:56,030 --> 01:10:54,480
studied or looked into and the only

1458
01:10:58,459 --> 01:10:56,040
reference to this guy is in the

1459
01:11:00,500 --> 01:10:58,469
appendices of these books where there's

1460
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:00,510
an interview between him and Greenfield

1461
01:11:06,410 --> 01:11:04,050
where Terry is using a pseudonym talks

1462
01:11:10,189 --> 01:11:06,420
about going into these underground bases

1463
01:11:13,939 --> 01:11:10,199
and cleaning out the aliens in them

1464
01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:13,949
Terry was supposedly according to David

1465
01:11:22,180 --> 01:11:18,239
Our Mutual Friend now I have no idea who

1466
01:11:27,490 --> 01:11:22,190
is this and and and Dana at this point

1467
01:11:31,879 --> 01:11:27,500
your your feminine spidey sense right

1468
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:31,889
yeah what was that telling you about

1469
01:11:36,500 --> 01:11:34,530
suddenly people knowing about healthier

1470
01:11:41,450 --> 01:11:36,510
people knowing about where you were with

1471
01:11:44,930 --> 01:11:41,460
Micah Hanks you've got cryptography

1472
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:44,940
coming over with with coordinates and of

1473
01:11:50,149 --> 01:11:47,810
course these emails going back to 2012

1474
01:11:55,189 --> 01:11:50,159
it's starting to get a little bit creepy

1475
01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:55,199
what were you thinking I at this point

1476
01:12:00,350 --> 01:11:58,320
pretty much every red flag that could be

1477
01:12:03,830 --> 01:12:00,360
flying was flying my instincts were

1478
01:12:05,899 --> 01:12:03,840
telling me that the that what we the

1479
01:12:08,930 --> 01:12:05,909
situation was changing dramatically and

1480
01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:08,940
like on top of that I'm I am kind of a

1481
01:12:15,290 --> 01:12:11,760
chicken and so I yeah I went into like

1482
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:15,300
full paranoia mode and it's it's so it's

1483
01:12:19,030 --> 01:12:17,250
super invasive and in that moment that's

1484
01:12:21,770 --> 01:12:19,040
really what it felt like it felt like

1485
01:12:24,260 --> 01:12:21,780
someone was just letting a

1486
01:12:27,109 --> 01:12:24,270
know how easy it was for them to kind of

1487
01:12:28,939 --> 01:12:27,119
know what we were doing or it felt kind

1488
01:12:30,649 --> 01:12:28,949
of sinister it had a sinister kind of

1489
01:12:33,379 --> 01:12:30,659
vibe to it yeah yeah it was really scary

1490
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:33,389
certainly because you guys know what

1491
01:12:37,790 --> 01:12:36,210
you're doing you know private leads your

1492
01:12:40,990 --> 01:12:37,800
personal life and you guys are together

1493
01:12:44,390 --> 01:12:41,000
and you're discussing these but suddenly

1494
01:12:47,060 --> 01:12:44,400
other people know too as well and you're

1495
01:12:49,700 --> 01:12:47,070
not discussing this and that's got to

1496
01:12:53,750 --> 01:12:49,710
throw up the red flags and it only gets

1497
01:12:57,290 --> 01:12:53,760
crazier doesn't it I mean yeah at this

1498
01:12:59,990 --> 01:12:57,300
point looking back to that moment a home

1499
01:13:02,060 --> 01:13:00,000
and how terrified I was at that moment I

1500
01:13:07,029 --> 01:13:02,070
would love to go back and talk to myself

1501
01:13:08,839 --> 01:13:07,039
and be like strapped in the beginning

1502
01:13:12,319 --> 01:13:08,849
totally totally

1503
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:12,329
now what happens next because at this

1504
01:13:19,339 --> 01:13:16,010
point you now have the town you've got

1505
01:13:21,379 --> 01:13:19,349
David Christy you've been contacted by

1506
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:21,389
Terry wrists

1507
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:23,730
you've probably reached out to have

1508
01:13:27,970 --> 01:13:25,530
Allen a Greenfield

1509
01:13:30,290 --> 01:13:27,980
at this point too as well I'm assuming

1510
01:13:32,209 --> 01:13:30,300
and you're starting to put the pieces

1511
01:13:34,879 --> 01:13:32,219
together but you've got to start the

1512
01:13:39,109 --> 01:13:34,889
plot and and figure out what what you're

1513
01:13:41,810 --> 01:13:39,119
going to do what happens next so what we

1514
01:13:44,390 --> 01:13:41,820
ended up doing was again one of these

1515
01:13:46,189 --> 01:13:44,400
weird synchronicities we ended up moving

1516
01:13:47,870 --> 01:13:46,199
to Cincinnati I mean one of the problems

1517
01:13:50,299 --> 01:13:47,880
that we had investigating the case was

1518
01:13:53,330 --> 01:13:50,309
that we lived in Canada and I was going

1519
01:13:54,350 --> 01:13:53,340
through immigration well we got offered

1520
01:13:57,470 --> 01:13:54,360
out of the blue

1521
01:13:59,540 --> 01:13:57,480
crazy great jobs working for a tech

1522
01:14:02,240 --> 01:13:59,550
startup here in Cincinnati and it was

1523
01:14:08,299 --> 01:14:02,250
just too good to say no to so we ended

1524
01:14:10,609 --> 01:14:08,309
up moving to Cincinnati in 2013 and we

1525
01:14:14,270 --> 01:14:10,619
had a weekend we'd finally gotten a set

1526
01:14:16,879 --> 01:14:14,280
of wheels and I looked at Dana this was

1527
01:14:20,660 --> 01:14:16,889
probably what 2015 at this point yeah

1528
01:14:24,020 --> 01:14:20,670
mm-hmm I said you know what that weird

1529
01:14:25,729 --> 01:14:24,030
case with that guy David that's only a

1530
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:25,739
few hours from here it's like four hours

1531
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:29,130
we could go out on a weekend and just

1532
01:14:32,870 --> 01:14:31,170
spend a day and let's just poke around

1533
01:14:34,310 --> 01:14:32,880
the town let's see if this was something

1534
01:14:36,649 --> 01:14:34,320
that

1535
01:14:38,839 --> 01:14:36,659
actually could have happened you know we

1536
01:14:41,060 --> 01:14:38,849
we were the whole time it always

1537
01:14:43,430 --> 01:14:41,070
bothered us like if somebody was pulling

1538
01:14:47,919 --> 01:14:43,440
our leg that was a lot of effort to put

1539
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:47,929
into it so we drove out one weekend and

1540
01:14:53,540 --> 01:14:51,449
as soon as we got into Helier we said oh

1541
01:14:58,280 --> 01:14:53,550
my god this could have actually happened

1542
01:15:00,229 --> 01:14:58,290
here we post it up at the local gas

1543
01:15:02,359 --> 01:15:00,239
station which also served as the post

1544
01:15:06,350 --> 01:15:02,369
office and the pizza shop and the

1545
01:15:07,700 --> 01:15:06,360
grocery store and we any good paranormal

1546
01:15:09,379 --> 01:15:07,710
researcher will tell you find the town

1547
01:15:11,390 --> 01:15:09,389
hub and then just start asking questions

1548
01:15:14,899 --> 01:15:11,400
and that's exactly what we did

1549
01:15:17,540 --> 01:15:14,909
I took photographs of the prints I took

1550
01:15:18,830 --> 01:15:17,550
any information I had on the case in a

1551
01:15:21,770 --> 01:15:18,840
folder and I just started talking to

1552
01:15:23,780 --> 01:15:21,780
people and shown people and no one had

1553
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:23,790
seen anything quite like that people had

1554
01:15:27,410 --> 01:15:25,770
heard stories some people had found

1555
01:15:30,140 --> 01:15:27,420
three-toed footprints while they were

1556
01:15:33,109 --> 01:15:30,150
hunting up in the woods up by where

1557
01:15:35,390 --> 01:15:33,119
there was a series of caves everyone was

1558
01:15:37,910 --> 01:15:35,400
very friendly they were willing to help

1559
01:15:39,290 --> 01:15:37,920
they had scenes they people had tons of

1560
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:39,300
Bigfoot stories tons of paranormal

1561
01:15:44,839 --> 01:15:41,730
stories and at one point there were

1562
01:15:46,220 --> 01:15:44,849
maybe two dozen people had come down to

1563
01:15:47,660 --> 01:15:46,230
the gas station because they'd heard

1564
01:15:49,220 --> 01:15:47,670
that someone was there talking about oh

1565
01:15:56,450 --> 01:15:49,230
you were the biggest thing in that town

1566
01:15:59,330 --> 01:15:56,460
in a long time now there's one other

1567
01:16:00,890 --> 01:15:59,340
thing here that I want to point out to

1568
01:16:05,390 --> 01:16:00,900
the audience that this part of the

1569
01:16:11,030 --> 01:16:05,400
country is nothing but one giant cave

1570
01:16:12,709 --> 01:16:11,040
system it's it's huge in there when I

1571
01:16:15,589 --> 01:16:12,719
was a kid I went down there with my aunt

1572
01:16:19,729 --> 01:16:15,599
Carolyn and we did the whole thing Cave

1573
01:16:23,149 --> 01:16:19,739
City mammoth caves National Park and I

1574
01:16:27,530 --> 01:16:23,159
personally went into probably a dozen

1575
01:16:31,790 --> 01:16:27,540
different caves massive massive massive

1576
01:16:34,850 --> 01:16:31,800
caves and and this system is quite huge

1577
01:16:36,319 --> 01:16:34,860
and it's part of Hellyer right well

1578
01:16:39,649 --> 01:16:36,329
that's actually one of the most

1579
01:16:41,419 --> 01:16:39,659
fascinating pieces so we started you

1580
01:16:44,180 --> 01:16:41,429
know David never said the word goblin

1581
01:16:46,459 --> 01:16:44,190
that was something that we came up with

1582
01:16:47,430 --> 01:16:46,469
because it the the parallels to what

1583
01:16:50,189 --> 01:16:47,440
David was

1584
01:16:52,140 --> 01:16:50,199
experiencing were so close to the

1585
01:16:53,910 --> 01:16:52,150
Hopkinsville case everything from you

1586
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:53,920
know the the farmhouse that was besieged

1587
01:16:58,350 --> 01:16:56,770
by these creatures we we started to

1588
01:17:01,709 --> 01:16:58,360
think well what if it was the same type

1589
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:01,719
of thing there were stories people were

1590
01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:03,489
telling us about UFO sightings over this

1591
01:17:07,890 --> 01:17:05,760
town UFO as big as a football field

1592
01:17:09,870 --> 01:17:07,900
government men coming to town telling

1593
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:09,880
them don't talk about this you know what

1594
01:17:13,290 --> 01:17:11,170
you saw was a satellite

1595
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:13,300
Yatta Yatta same type of stuff that was

1596
01:17:18,630 --> 01:17:14,530
happening in Hopkinsville back in the

1597
01:17:22,050 --> 01:17:18,640
50s so we realized the mammoth cave

1598
01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:22,060
system runs the length of Kentucky hmm

1599
01:17:26,670 --> 01:17:24,370
and even up through the Appalachian it

1600
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:26,680
is the largest cave system in the world

1601
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:28,810
and is for the most part pretty

1602
01:17:34,020 --> 01:17:32,410
unexplored yeah so the idea was what if

1603
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:34,030
there was some kind of a connection with

1604
01:17:38,850 --> 01:17:35,770
caves here these things are coming out

1605
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:38,860
of caves we found all these cases all up

1606
01:17:42,890 --> 01:17:40,810
and down the Appalachian that talked

1607
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:42,900
about creatures coming out of caves

1608
01:17:48,209 --> 01:17:45,090
particularly creatures that were

1609
01:17:51,510 --> 01:17:48,219
tormenting people you know it just

1610
01:17:53,100 --> 01:17:51,520
because of the regional differences you

1611
01:17:54,090 --> 01:17:53,110
know somebody in one part of the

1612
01:17:57,330 --> 01:17:54,100
Appalachian was calling them

1613
01:17:59,010 --> 01:17:57,340
Tommyknockers or howl or goblins they

1614
01:18:01,350 --> 01:17:59,020
just didn't realize people were

1615
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:01,360
experiencing this phenomena all through

1616
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:03,610
that cave system because they all given

1617
01:18:06,570 --> 01:18:05,410
them different regional names right so

1618
01:18:08,430 --> 01:18:06,580
that was our first inkling that

1619
01:18:10,260 --> 01:18:08,440
something bigger was going on and it

1620
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:10,270
wasn't just Helier it wasn't just

1621
01:18:14,850 --> 01:18:12,610
Hopkinsville it was something that was

1622
01:18:18,870 --> 01:18:14,860
massive and seemed tied to the cave

1623
01:18:21,810 --> 01:18:18,880
systems and there was one one guy from

1624
01:18:24,750 --> 01:18:21,820
the town I thought this was really

1625
01:18:29,850 --> 01:18:24,760
really interesting where he said that

1626
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:29,860
this giant spacecraft was above the town

1627
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:34,330
all day long that thousands of people

1628
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:37,570
saw it and it was in the local paper and

1629
01:18:41,550 --> 01:18:39,610
and they just stood out there and

1630
01:18:44,850 --> 01:18:41,560
watched it all day that was pretty

1631
01:18:48,209 --> 01:18:44,860
interesting that was really crazy and

1632
01:18:51,810 --> 01:18:48,219
one of the things that what happened

1633
01:18:53,189 --> 01:18:51,820
with this was people came to town they

1634
01:18:56,340 --> 01:18:53,199
said government people came to town

1635
01:18:57,990 --> 01:18:56,350
after this happened and told them no

1636
01:18:59,850 --> 01:18:58,000
what you saw was a satellite it was

1637
01:19:01,270 --> 01:18:59,860
something I think it could have been

1638
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:01,280
they were saying

1639
01:19:06,459 --> 01:19:03,770
like a Google project but these people

1640
01:19:08,620 --> 01:19:06,469
said the stuff that they showed in the

1641
01:19:11,020 --> 01:19:08,630
news the stuff that they told us that we

1642
01:19:12,430 --> 01:19:11,030
saw was not what we saw they said listen

1643
01:19:14,229 --> 01:19:12,440
we know that people think we're

1644
01:19:17,049 --> 01:19:14,239
Hillbillies out here but I know what I

1645
01:19:18,850 --> 01:19:17,059
saw and it was not a satellite so there

1646
01:19:20,890 --> 01:19:18,860
was something strange going on with that

1647
01:19:25,390 --> 01:19:20,900
now

1648
01:19:26,830 --> 01:19:25,400
did you ask about David Christie oh that

1649
01:19:28,660 --> 01:19:26,840
was the first question have you ever

1650
01:19:31,270 --> 01:19:28,670
heard of a David Christie do you know of

1651
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:31,280
anybody a doctor in town because he was

1652
01:19:35,890 --> 01:19:32,690
supposed to be a doctor supposed to be a

1653
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:35,900
dog um nobody had ever heard of that

1654
01:19:42,129 --> 01:19:38,449
name how big he said you know how big is

1655
01:19:44,350 --> 01:19:42,139
Hellyer Oh maybe a few miles and it's

1656
01:19:46,810 --> 01:19:44,360
mostly you know just little hollers all

1657
01:19:48,129 --> 01:19:46,820
this all the roads and Helier the reason

1658
01:19:49,930 --> 01:19:48,139
they exist is because they used to go to

1659
01:19:51,069 --> 01:19:49,940
mines right that gives you kind of an

1660
01:19:52,569 --> 01:19:51,079
idea of what this place was like

1661
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:52,579
somewheres weren't a ton of people it

1662
01:19:58,270 --> 01:19:56,570
was close-knit yeah well how big are we

1663
01:20:01,510 --> 01:19:58,280
talking a few hundred people a few

1664
01:20:03,939 --> 01:20:01,520
thousand how big is Helier I would say a

1665
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:03,949
few hundred to be honest it's really

1666
01:20:09,310 --> 01:20:07,130
really small it's really really isolated

1667
01:20:12,430 --> 01:20:09,320
it's not really on the way to anything

1668
01:20:14,379 --> 01:20:12,440
so it's just sort of tucked away and

1669
01:20:16,330 --> 01:20:14,389
it's just sort of a small small small

1670
01:20:17,950 --> 01:20:16,340
community of people that have either

1671
01:20:19,089 --> 01:20:17,960
been living there for a long time their

1672
01:20:21,129 --> 01:20:19,099
families have been living there for a

1673
01:20:23,109 --> 01:20:21,139
long time but it's really really small a

1674
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:23,119
couple hundred easily a couple hundred

1675
01:20:26,919 --> 01:20:26,090
so everybody knows everybody there's no

1676
01:20:29,350 --> 01:20:26,929
question about it

1677
01:20:31,540 --> 01:20:29,360
so this this guy David Christie if he's

1678
01:20:32,290 --> 01:20:31,550
a new guy in town everybody's going to

1679
01:20:36,459 --> 01:20:32,300
know who he is

1680
01:20:38,669 --> 01:20:36,469
right that's what I worship and that

1681
01:20:42,189 --> 01:20:38,679
didn't seem to be the case did it

1682
01:20:43,629 --> 01:20:42,199
no nobody knew this guy you know one of

1683
01:20:45,010 --> 01:20:43,639
the people that we ended up talking to

1684
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:45,020
was a guy who lived in the town his

1685
01:20:48,879 --> 01:20:47,090
entire life he was like in his 80s and

1686
01:20:50,319 --> 01:20:48,889
he said I've never heard of a David

1687
01:20:53,379 --> 01:20:50,329
Christie and I don't even know of a

1688
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:53,389
doctor who lives around here so our next

1689
01:20:58,060 --> 01:20:55,610
course of action was to you know ask

1690
01:20:59,799 --> 01:20:58,070
about properties and ask about where we

1691
01:21:01,299 --> 01:20:59,809
should go and look for you know a house

1692
01:21:03,430 --> 01:21:01,309
that has this or this or this or

1693
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:03,440
something my biggest question was is

1694
01:21:06,850 --> 01:21:05,449
there a house around here where there's

1695
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:06,860
a mineshaft on the edge of the property

1696
01:21:10,660 --> 01:21:09,170
and the people laughed at me every why

1697
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:10,670
were my shadows on the edge of

1698
01:21:18,290 --> 01:21:12,650
everybody's pride

1699
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:18,300
right and so but you apparently find the

1700
01:21:22,510 --> 01:21:21,090
house right where you guys are driving

1701
01:21:26,630 --> 01:21:22,520
up the road

1702
01:21:28,459 --> 01:21:26,640
we followed the stream we followed one

1703
01:21:31,610 --> 01:21:28,469
of the one of the water sources because

1704
01:21:33,709 --> 01:21:31,620
in the photos that David sent us there

1705
01:21:35,390 --> 01:21:33,719
were there was like a stream a creek and

1706
01:21:37,669 --> 01:21:35,400
that was where the footprints were taken

1707
01:21:39,890 --> 01:21:37,679
so we thought okay let's find a water

1708
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:39,900
source let's follow the biggest dream so

1709
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:41,370
we started following different streams

1710
01:21:46,850 --> 01:21:44,370
and eventually right as the Sun was

1711
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:46,860
setting we found a house that matched

1712
01:21:51,050 --> 01:21:49,530
the description perfect it's still when

1713
01:21:52,729 --> 01:21:51,060
all this stuff had happened to David's

1714
01:21:54,740 --> 01:21:52,739
family it was around Christmastime they

1715
01:21:56,270 --> 01:21:54,750
were still Christmas lights up the house

1716
01:21:58,189 --> 01:21:56,280
looked like it had been abandoned for

1717
01:22:00,530 --> 01:21:58,199
three years the lawn wasn't moved there

1718
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:00,540
were still stuff out on the porch it had

1719
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:03,570
the porch light it had the the the shed

1720
01:22:09,770 --> 01:22:06,690
in the background and it was right next

1721
01:22:11,450 --> 01:22:09,780
to a mine so we thought holy crap this

1722
01:22:13,550 --> 01:22:11,460
is the place because there were a lot of

1723
01:22:15,830 --> 01:22:13,560
different places but nothing fit the

1724
01:22:19,430 --> 01:22:15,840
bill like this and it was so exciting

1725
01:22:23,300 --> 01:22:19,440
because it looked perfect so we we made

1726
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:23,310
note of where this was and because the

1727
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:24,570
Sun was setting and because it was only

1728
01:22:28,220 --> 01:22:26,250
a day trip we said okay we're gonna come

1729
01:22:30,229 --> 01:22:28,230
back and we're gonna do some more

1730
01:22:32,060 --> 01:22:30,239
digging on this place so when that's

1731
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:32,070
where we had left it that's right what

1732
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:35,610
happens next and also I want everybody

1733
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:38,730
to watch the series of course but there

1734
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:41,130
was a comment that you made I don't know

1735
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:42,810
if it is you or Dana when we were out in

1736
01:22:48,770 --> 01:22:46,530
front of the house where apparently it

1737
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:48,780
looked like it was abandoned rather

1738
01:22:54,470 --> 01:22:51,810
quickly there was still I mean right

1739
01:22:56,959 --> 01:22:54,480
absolutely yeah there were there was

1740
01:22:59,360 --> 01:22:56,969
still the way the house looked it looked

1741
01:23:01,520 --> 01:22:59,370
as if someone had packed up in the

1742
01:23:02,860 --> 01:23:01,530
middle of the night and left and like

1743
01:23:05,810 --> 01:23:02,870
Greg said you know there were still

1744
01:23:08,260 --> 01:23:05,820
Christmas lights hanging on on exercise

1745
01:23:11,270 --> 01:23:08,270
a quick yeah like it's it looked as if

1746
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:11,280
somebody grabbed their clothes and their

1747
01:23:15,740 --> 01:23:13,290
valuables and left everything else and

1748
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:15,750
just completely abandon it do you think

1749
01:23:22,610 --> 01:23:21,090
it's possible that David Christie did

1750
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:22,620
live there he lived there for seven

1751
01:23:26,780 --> 01:23:23,730
months

1752
01:23:28,370 --> 01:23:26,790
and that he could have gone unnoticed in

1753
01:23:31,850 --> 01:23:28,380
the town that maybe he wasn't a doctor

1754
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:31,860
for the town and then left and nobody

1755
01:23:38,180 --> 01:23:35,250
remembered him being there or that they

1756
01:23:42,010 --> 01:23:38,190
didn't want to talk about David Christie

1757
01:23:46,370 --> 01:23:42,020
and and what happened and why he left I

1758
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:46,380
think either one of those is fair people

1759
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:49,410
in these types of places you you

1760
01:23:52,670 --> 01:23:51,210
typically move to a place like this if

1761
01:23:54,350 --> 01:23:52,680
you're not from there because if you're

1762
01:23:56,990 --> 01:23:54,360
from there you generally stay there

1763
01:23:58,520 --> 01:23:57,000
places like that and if you move there

1764
01:24:00,890 --> 01:23:58,530
you're moving there because you want to

1765
01:24:04,900 --> 01:24:00,900
avoid people it became pretty apparent

1766
01:24:08,630 --> 01:24:04,910
to us the more we we dug into this that

1767
01:24:11,510 --> 01:24:08,640
if David Christie was a real person that

1768
01:24:13,370 --> 01:24:11,520
was not his real name we don't think

1769
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:13,380
that was his real name could he have

1770
01:24:18,440 --> 01:24:16,290
been a doctor yeah maybe but when we

1771
01:24:20,300 --> 01:24:18,450
would ask around everyone seemed to

1772
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:20,310
think it would be ridiculous that anyone

1773
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:22,530
who was a doctor would intentionally

1774
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:25,050
move to Helier so I think it's it's a

1775
01:24:29,270 --> 01:24:27,930
toss-up there between people not just

1776
01:24:32,390 --> 01:24:29,280
not wanting to talk about this and

1777
01:24:35,390 --> 01:24:32,400
between somebody going there to

1778
01:24:38,150 --> 01:24:35,400
specifically be off the radar pretty

1779
01:24:40,300 --> 01:24:38,160
creepy set up to this story and this is

1780
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:40,310
just the beginning

1781
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:42,930
so you head back to Cincinnati we're

1782
01:24:47,300 --> 01:24:44,489
gonna head towards a break so we'll set

1783
01:24:48,950 --> 01:24:47,310
up for when we come back you go back to

1784
01:24:50,630 --> 01:24:48,960
Cincinnati and regroup do you

1785
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:50,640
immediately pick up the phone and call

1786
01:24:57,650 --> 01:24:55,050
Karl no it was it was Karl I mean our

1787
01:24:59,210 --> 01:24:57,660
lives had gotten it was like a month or

1788
01:25:00,860 --> 01:24:59,220
two after this that we were actually

1789
01:25:03,020 --> 01:25:00,870
invited to shoot an episode of Finding

1790
01:25:04,790 --> 01:25:03,030
Bigfoot and then everything just

1791
01:25:07,100 --> 01:25:04,800
spiraled out of control we were doing

1792
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:07,110
different guest spots we had started the

1793
01:25:11,330 --> 01:25:08,970
museum we were on tour at the Museum we

1794
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:11,340
just didn't have time to go back right

1795
01:25:16,820 --> 01:25:14,130
away it was actually Karl who because of

1796
01:25:20,090 --> 01:25:16,830
his synchronicity reached out and and

1797
01:25:22,729 --> 01:25:20,100
basically forced us to do this he he

1798
01:25:25,340 --> 01:25:22,739
really really made a play for it and

1799
01:25:27,020 --> 01:25:25,350
said there's something's telling me we

1800
01:25:33,020 --> 01:25:27,030
need to do this it's calling me we have

1801
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:33,030
to go that's why we went back and with

1802
01:25:37,580 --> 01:25:36,210
Karl and he's in Colorado right yeah

1803
01:25:40,459 --> 01:25:37,590
he's up and loved

1804
01:25:43,340 --> 01:25:40,469
Colorado you're in Cincinnati it was

1805
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:43,350
their logistics planned or at this point

1806
01:25:47,990 --> 01:25:45,330
because it feels like to me

1807
01:25:49,939 --> 01:25:48,000
in the documentary give me the inside of

1808
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:49,949
this it seems like in the documentary

1809
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:52,530
you guys are now reacting to those

1810
01:25:56,890 --> 01:25:54,090
synchronicities you guys didn't really

1811
01:26:00,919 --> 01:25:56,900
have a chance to to like sit down

1812
01:26:03,620 --> 01:26:00,929
schedule Excel spreadsheet budget you

1813
01:26:06,260 --> 01:26:03,630
know and and do do something real and

1814
01:26:09,830 --> 01:26:06,270
plan you guys are now you guys are

1815
01:26:11,780 --> 01:26:09,840
reacting to the situation on the fly we

1816
01:26:13,669 --> 01:26:11,790
didn't know what the project was going

1817
01:26:15,380 --> 01:26:13,679
to be you know we we've been friends

1818
01:26:17,930 --> 01:26:15,390
with Karl for a while and and he's a

1819
01:26:19,580 --> 01:26:17,940
fantastic researcher he was one of the

1820
01:26:21,260 --> 01:26:19,590
resident investigators at the Stanley

1821
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:21,270
Hotel which is just the coolest job ever

1822
01:26:25,550 --> 01:26:23,370
you just ghost hunt for a living mm-hmm

1823
01:26:29,510 --> 01:26:25,560
and so we knew we wanted to do something

1824
01:26:31,250 --> 01:26:29,520
together but when Karl settled on this

1825
01:26:34,130 --> 01:26:31,260
it was really just a matter of weeks

1826
01:26:35,780 --> 01:26:34,140
when it was like okay we we don't have

1827
01:26:37,490 --> 01:26:35,790
anything going on with the museum we

1828
01:26:39,740 --> 01:26:37,500
have no exhibitions for the next like

1829
01:26:41,180 --> 01:26:39,750
two or three weeks this is our window if

1830
01:26:44,090 --> 01:26:41,190
we're gonna do it we're gonna do it then

1831
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:44,100
and so Karl grabbed his friend Connor

1832
01:26:50,419 --> 01:26:47,010
and his friend Rashad and they drove out

1833
01:26:52,700 --> 01:26:50,429
and it was literally that we they came

1834
01:26:54,590 --> 01:26:52,710
out I slapped down the file folder they

1835
01:26:56,930 --> 01:26:54,600
were the first person outside of Dana

1836
01:26:59,750 --> 01:26:56,940
and I to see the original files

1837
01:27:01,490 --> 01:26:59,760
unredacted with everything and we just

1838
01:27:03,530 --> 01:27:01,500
said let's go for it let's get in the

1839
01:27:07,700 --> 01:27:03,540
car and go now that's how it started at

1840
01:27:13,130 --> 01:27:07,710
this point you know Connor and Rashad

1841
01:27:16,850 --> 01:27:13,140
and Carl arrived in town any contact

1842
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:16,860
with Terry Terry wrist or or David or

1843
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:19,610
even Allan greenfield at this point

1844
01:27:24,410 --> 01:27:22,530
nothing I mean I had emailed back and

1845
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:24,420
forth with Allan for his thoughts on the

1846
01:27:29,510 --> 01:27:26,610
case quite a bit when the original

1847
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:29,520
emails had come in and a few times over

1848
01:27:35,660 --> 01:27:32,489
the years but nothing there was there

1849
01:27:37,910 --> 01:27:35,670
was no we had not broadcasted that we

1850
01:27:38,959 --> 01:27:37,920
were doing this we didn't tell anyone we

1851
01:27:42,770 --> 01:27:38,969
what we were doing or where we were

1852
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:42,780
going it really did happen pretty much

1853
01:27:49,610 --> 01:27:46,410
on the fly and the only impetus of doing

1854
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:49,620
it was Karl Karl was just dead set and

1855
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:50,730
said we're supposed to do

1856
01:27:55,220 --> 01:27:52,530
this we're supposed to do this that's it

1857
01:27:56,750 --> 01:27:55,230
okay let's take a break right here this

1858
01:27:59,450 --> 01:27:56,760
is fade to black I'm you know Jimmy

1859
01:28:01,160 --> 01:27:59,460
Church tonight our guest Greg and Dana

1860
01:28:03,140 --> 01:28:01,170
Newkirk we're talking about their new

1861
01:28:05,540 --> 01:28:03,150
docu-series that's directed by Carl

1862
01:28:07,490 --> 01:28:05,550
Piper and it's called Hellyer it's on

1863
01:28:07,970 --> 01:28:07,500
Amazon we'll be right back after this

1864
01:28:10,650 --> 01:28:07,980
short break

1865
01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:16,640
[Music]

1866
01:28:32,689 --> 01:28:29,660
way out here we listen to Jimmy Church

1867
01:28:35,189 --> 01:28:32,699
you're listening to faint and black

1868
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:35,199
always on the edge of the hottest

1869
01:28:38,819 --> 01:28:38,050
alternative talk chilly church with fade

1870
01:28:58,080 --> 01:28:38,829
to black

1871
01:29:01,799 --> 01:28:58,090
stay GRA radio.com hurricanes

1872
01:29:03,540 --> 01:29:01,809
earthquakes wildfires this year we've

1873
01:29:06,359 --> 01:29:03,550
experienced more than our fair share

1874
01:29:08,819 --> 01:29:06,369
this is Jimmy Church a fade to black and

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hi I'm Lisa Vance your listings Jimmy

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Church this is revolution the revolution

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welcome back fade to black I'm real

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Jimmy Church and our guest tonight Greg

1971
01:33:58,700 --> 01:33:56,760
and Dana and Newkirk and we're

1972
01:34:00,470 --> 01:33:58,710
discussing their new docu-series that

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01:34:03,650 --> 01:34:00,480
was directed by Carl Pfeifer it is

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called Helier it's on Amazon easy to

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find and also Hellyer dot TV and it is

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streaming there now I want to go to the

1977
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first meeting that you had with the crew

1978
01:34:19,850 --> 01:34:16,830
with Carl Colin and Rashad as you start

1979
01:34:24,770 --> 01:34:19,860
to disclose the evidence and for the

1980
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:24,780
audience I want you to describe the

1981
01:34:33,050 --> 01:34:30,210
creature because the creature well I

1982
01:34:36,740 --> 01:34:33,060
want you to describe it because it kind

1983
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:36,750
of fits the alien greys but then again

1984
01:34:42,650 --> 01:34:39,210
it doesn't so let's start with the face

1985
01:34:46,820 --> 01:34:42,660
in the eyes the way that it was

1986
01:34:49,610 --> 01:34:46,830
described by David was it was actually

1987
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:49,620
his children saw it first I think it was

1988
01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:51,690
his daughter that's described them as

1989
01:34:59,860 --> 01:34:55,290
the the naked kids who were bald like

1990
01:35:04,430 --> 01:34:59,870
grandpa and they had a round head with

1991
01:35:08,450 --> 01:35:04,440
these he described the eyes as black and

1992
01:35:13,750 --> 01:35:08,460
oily and there weren't the the ears

1993
01:35:18,830 --> 01:35:13,760
there wasn't much of a mouth or nose it

1994
01:35:20,900 --> 01:35:18,840
sounded like a typical gray but as he

1995
01:35:24,260 --> 01:35:20,910
continued to describe the rest of them

1996
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they only stood about three four feet

1997
01:35:32,630 --> 01:35:29,210
tall and they totally totally nude and

1998
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:32,640
they hopped when they moved so they

1999
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didn't walk like a person they'd hopped

2000
01:35:43,250 --> 01:35:40,470
and the creepiest detail to me is the

2001
01:35:46,610 --> 01:35:43,260
way that they chattered to one another

2002
01:35:50,210 --> 01:35:46,620
he said they sounded like skunks which

2003
01:35:52,070 --> 01:35:50,220
is a really specific noise if you've

2004
01:35:54,440 --> 01:35:52,080
never heard a skunk before I don't think

2005
01:35:57,410 --> 01:35:54,450
most people have if you've never heard a

2006
01:36:01,190 --> 01:35:57,420
skunk before just look it up Google

2007
01:36:02,600 --> 01:36:01,200
skunk noises and it's it's chilling

2008
01:36:04,340 --> 01:36:02,610
because it's real

2009
01:36:06,410 --> 01:36:04,350
creepy because I can see it in my head

2010
01:36:10,790 --> 01:36:06,420
and he seemed to think they were afraid

2011
01:36:14,300 --> 01:36:10,800
of the light yeah almost like chirping

2012
01:36:16,580 --> 01:36:14,310
or squeaking like like chirping yeah

2013
01:36:22,210 --> 01:36:16,590
like a chirping chattering type of noise

2014
01:36:26,090 --> 01:36:22,220
now and and also the nose or the lack of

2015
01:36:28,700 --> 01:36:26,100
yeah no nose no real facial features

2016
01:36:32,300 --> 01:36:28,710
other than the eyes and just kind of the

2017
01:36:33,590 --> 01:36:32,310
the small mouth Dana what were you

2018
01:36:35,660 --> 01:36:33,600
thinking

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I you know because the description is

2020
01:36:40,250 --> 01:36:38,310
obviously we get I keep using the word

2021
01:36:41,060 --> 01:36:40,260
creepy but that's exactly what's going

2022
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on here

2023
01:36:49,220 --> 01:36:44,550
and I thought that the eyes were kind of

2024
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cat like et ish but but also just a

2025
01:36:55,940 --> 01:36:52,020
little bit different yeah I mean the

2026
01:36:59,480 --> 01:36:55,950
that description to me sounds like a

2027
01:37:01,670 --> 01:36:59,490
typical gray it sounds like you have you

2028
01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:01,680
know large eyes you have that sort of

2029
01:37:05,570 --> 01:37:03,210
same shaped head they're they're

2030
01:37:08,030 --> 01:37:05,580
relatively smaller but it's those little

2031
01:37:10,250 --> 01:37:08,040
details like the hopping and the the

2032
01:37:11,780 --> 01:37:10,260
chattering sounds that kind of set it

2033
01:37:13,340 --> 01:37:11,790
apart a little bit from what we

2034
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traditionally would think of when we

2035
01:37:19,190 --> 01:37:15,870
think of kind of gray aliens and so it

2036
01:37:21,110 --> 01:37:19,200
it was a bit you know sort of again much

2037
01:37:23,780 --> 01:37:21,120
like with everything in Helier you you

2038
01:37:25,130 --> 01:37:23,790
have what you think is the reality and

2039
01:37:26,660 --> 01:37:25,140
then you know there are all of these

2040
01:37:28,850 --> 01:37:26,670
little details that kind of set it apart

2041
01:37:31,220 --> 01:37:28,860
so for me the description really does

2042
01:37:33,050 --> 01:37:31,230
sound very much like a gray but there

2043
01:37:34,850 --> 01:37:33,060
are all of these little tiny details

2044
01:37:37,370 --> 01:37:34,860
that kind of surround it that really set

2045
01:37:39,350 --> 01:37:37,380
it apart from what we already know or

2046
01:37:41,450 --> 01:37:39,360
what we would we know about graves and

2047
01:37:48,440 --> 01:37:41,460
what a great name for a town for a

2048
01:37:49,880 --> 01:37:48,450
documentary like this it's so spooky I

2049
01:37:52,100 --> 01:37:49,890
mean it's it's just like too perfect

2050
01:37:55,430 --> 01:37:52,110
okay so now you guys sit down with the

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team and you're starting to show them

2052
01:38:00,740 --> 01:37:58,800
the details which also includes the

2053
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photographs and and the letters and

2054
01:38:03,170 --> 01:38:01,440
emails

2055
01:38:06,500 --> 01:38:03,180
what was their take what was their

2056
01:38:09,950 --> 01:38:06,510
reaction I think it was interesting

2057
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:09,960
because again we had not shared the

2058
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:12,090
unredacted files we had posted stuff

2059
01:38:16,340 --> 01:38:14,010
online but we'd never posted the name of

2060
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:16,350
the town we'd never posted day

2061
01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:21,210
it's real name so immediately you know I

2062
01:38:24,590 --> 01:38:23,370
I remember Carl looking at it and being

2063
01:38:27,320 --> 01:38:24,600
like oh wow

2064
01:38:29,090 --> 01:38:27,330
this is where we're going this is it it

2065
01:38:31,580 --> 01:38:29,100
had been a mystery to so many people for

2066
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:31,590
so long and we had held these things so

2067
01:38:36,590 --> 01:38:34,410
close to the chest because you know for

2068
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:36,600
people who don't operate in in the

2069
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:38,010
paranormal I'm sure it's this way in

2070
01:38:45,350 --> 01:38:41,930
lots of other industries but you know

2071
01:38:47,300 --> 01:38:45,360
details and information is currency in

2072
01:38:50,030 --> 01:38:47,310
this community and if we had let that

2073
01:38:52,210 --> 01:38:50,040
slip I'm very certain that it would have

2074
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:52,220
ended up on you know two or three

2075
01:38:56,360 --> 01:38:54,810
low-budget paranormal television shows

2076
01:38:59,570 --> 01:38:56,370
at some point somebody would have beat

2077
01:39:02,570 --> 01:38:59,580
us to the punch and if we had if we had

2078
01:39:04,010 --> 01:39:02,580
given those details up we wouldn't be

2079
01:39:06,440 --> 01:39:04,020
able to investigate the case without it

2080
01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:06,450
being tainted because somebody could go

2081
01:39:11,240 --> 01:39:08,370
somebody could set something up somebody

2082
01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:11,250
could pose as as as David Christie even

2083
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:15,210
now it was it didn't take a week until

2084
01:39:20,210 --> 01:39:18,090
Helier had been released that somebody

2085
01:39:22,160 --> 01:39:20,220
made a fake David Christie Facebook

2086
01:39:23,660 --> 01:39:22,170
profile so that type of thing is what

2087
01:39:26,780 --> 01:39:23,670
you have to be really careful about so I

2088
01:39:29,390 --> 01:39:26,790
I think at that moment we watched Carl

2089
01:39:32,030 --> 01:39:29,400
and Conor have this moment where they

2090
01:39:35,080 --> 01:39:32,040
realized okay this is serious we're

2091
01:39:38,030 --> 01:39:35,090
really going to go do this and Conor

2092
01:39:41,450 --> 01:39:38,040
we're gonna discuss this in just a bit

2093
01:39:44,630 --> 01:39:41,460
but Conor has got some pretty unique

2094
01:39:46,460 --> 01:39:44,640
abilities to himself a pretty pretty

2095
01:39:50,240 --> 01:39:46,470
interesting guy right tell us about

2096
01:39:53,510 --> 01:39:50,250
Conor I love Connor

2097
01:39:55,520 --> 01:39:53,520
probably like the most sweet pure person

2098
01:39:57,140 --> 01:39:55,530
I've ever met in my entire life to the

2099
01:39:58,400 --> 01:39:57,150
point where I almost feel bad hanging

2100
01:40:01,670 --> 01:39:58,410
out with him because I don't want to

2101
01:40:04,370 --> 01:40:01,680
corrupt him Conor is a really cool dude

2102
01:40:07,910 --> 01:40:04,380
he's uh he's had two heart transplants

2103
01:40:09,890 --> 01:40:07,920
and he'll balk if he's listening to this

2104
01:40:11,660 --> 01:40:09,900
I'm sure he's gonna balk at me saying

2105
01:40:14,360 --> 01:40:11,670
this but I think Connor is a psychic

2106
01:40:17,060 --> 01:40:14,370
he's guessed oh no he's gifted he's got

2107
01:40:19,610 --> 01:40:17,070
the gift he's got the gift yeah and I

2108
01:40:22,070 --> 01:40:19,620
think you know when you think about it I

2109
01:40:24,470 --> 01:40:22,080
mean he is he's on a second heart

2110
01:40:26,480 --> 01:40:24,480
transplant he really is one one foot in

2111
01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:26,490
this world and one foot in another oh

2112
01:40:35,120 --> 01:40:30,930
don't I think that he he's just a super

2113
01:40:36,950 --> 01:40:35,130
solid dude who is part of the reason I

2114
01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:36,960
think that something that I'm sure we'll

2115
01:40:42,700 --> 01:40:40,170
talk about soon the estus method why

2116
01:40:45,380 --> 01:40:42,710
that works so well I think is because

2117
01:40:47,210 --> 01:40:45,390
Connor is gifted the way he is yeah

2118
01:40:52,210 --> 01:40:47,220
where's my opinion I'm sure he would say

2119
01:40:55,430 --> 01:40:52,220
something different you do in the show

2120
01:40:58,040 --> 01:40:55,440
you do a couple of different techniques

2121
01:40:59,900 --> 01:40:58,050
one of them is the estus method and the

2122
01:41:05,900 --> 01:40:59,910
other one with the ping-pong balls that

2123
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:05,910
one is the ganzfeld method which was

2124
01:41:12,650 --> 01:41:08,370
very interesting to see both of these

2125
01:41:14,780 --> 01:41:12,660
get get practice and and yours was

2126
01:41:16,700 --> 01:41:14,790
pretty creepy we're not going to get

2127
01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:16,710
into that I want to save that for the

2128
01:41:23,630 --> 01:41:19,050
audience they can go and and and watch

2129
01:41:25,340 --> 01:41:23,640
the series but with Conor okay okay well

2130
01:41:27,710 --> 01:41:25,350
we'll get back to Connor in just a

2131
01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:27,720
second so at this point were there any

2132
01:41:33,230 --> 01:41:29,370
other synchronicities before you guys

2133
01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:33,240
hop in the car I I think at this point

2134
01:41:36,680 --> 01:41:35,370
we we didn't even know that it was the

2135
01:41:39,470 --> 01:41:36,690
synchronicity is that we were looking

2136
01:41:41,030 --> 01:41:39,480
for so there may have been but it was

2137
01:41:42,620 --> 01:41:41,040
really more of a matter of we were

2138
01:41:45,590 --> 01:41:42,630
excited to get in the car and actually

2139
01:41:48,140 --> 01:41:45,600
go it wasn't really until we were in the

2140
01:41:49,700 --> 01:41:48,150
car that the synchronicity is really

2141
01:41:51,710 --> 01:41:49,710
started to kick up and we realized

2142
01:41:56,950 --> 01:41:51,720
something else was going on so what

2143
01:42:00,260 --> 01:41:56,960
happens yeah what happens next we are

2144
01:42:02,600 --> 01:42:00,270
Marya ly interesting part Carl and

2145
01:42:05,630 --> 01:42:02,610
Connor and Rashad we're listening to an

2146
01:42:08,630 --> 01:42:05,640
audiobook of the Mothman Prophecies on

2147
01:42:10,250 --> 01:42:08,640
their way out from Colorado mr.

2148
01:42:16,070 --> 01:42:10,260
something to listen to kind of get them

2149
01:42:16,790 --> 01:42:16,080
in the mood you know right a mistake yes

2150
01:42:20,590 --> 01:42:16,800
okay

2151
01:42:21,860 --> 01:42:20,600
and as we are on our way to hell yer

2152
01:42:26,690 --> 01:42:21,870
Carl

2153
01:42:28,610 --> 01:42:26,700
a secret cipher of the UFO knots which

2154
01:42:31,100 --> 01:42:28,620
is this book that had the reference to

2155
01:42:34,100 --> 01:42:31,110
Terry wrist in it he's flipping through

2156
01:42:36,530 --> 01:42:34,110
the interview and one of the things that

2157
01:42:40,790 --> 01:42:36,540
they mention to run through the cipher

2158
01:42:42,770 --> 01:42:40,800
is the the phrase inked in black it was

2159
01:42:43,250 --> 01:42:42,780
then that he he put two and two together

2160
01:42:47,060 --> 01:42:43,260
and

2161
01:42:49,580 --> 01:42:47,070
realized that relates to Indrid cold who

2162
01:42:51,410 --> 01:42:49,590
was such a big figure when it comes to

2163
01:42:54,200 --> 01:42:51,420
the Mothman Prophecies and Point

2164
01:42:57,439 --> 01:42:54,210
Pleasant and you know did that that

2165
01:42:59,839 --> 01:42:57,449
whole investigation and so immediately

2166
01:43:01,459 --> 01:42:59,849
then it's like oh wow we listened to

2167
01:43:04,009 --> 01:43:01,469
this on the way it was like we were

2168
01:43:05,660 --> 01:43:04,019
being prepared to find out this piece of

2169
01:43:09,350 --> 01:43:05,670
information that no one had put two and

2170
01:43:11,089 --> 01:43:09,360
two together and all of a sudden the

2171
01:43:13,939 --> 01:43:11,099
case is so much bigger because in

2172
01:43:16,669 --> 01:43:13,949
somehow involves Indrid cold who Terry

2173
01:43:19,160 --> 01:43:16,679
wrist claimed in the interview he had

2174
01:43:21,500 --> 01:43:19,170
used the cipher to find out where Indrid

2175
01:43:23,930 --> 01:43:21,510
cold was and met him and talked to him

2176
01:43:25,160 --> 01:43:23,940
so now it has a connection to keel it

2177
01:43:28,459 --> 01:43:25,170
has a connection to the Mothman

2178
01:43:31,430 --> 01:43:28,469
Prophecies case which really was what

2179
01:43:34,339 --> 01:43:31,440
launched all the high strangeness on our

2180
01:43:38,990 --> 01:43:34,349
way into Helier keep going because this

2181
01:43:40,640 --> 01:43:39,000
is really really really cool and before

2182
01:43:42,979 --> 01:43:40,650
you guys get to hell here you guys are

2183
01:43:45,560 --> 01:43:42,989
having this conversation in the car and

2184
01:43:49,089 --> 01:43:45,570
things are starting to unfold what

2185
01:43:57,799 --> 01:43:54,890
caryl informs us that Indrid cold is now

2186
01:44:02,569 --> 01:43:57,809
somehow tangibly related to this case

2187
01:44:05,779 --> 01:44:02,579
which blows our minds we're all stunned

2188
01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:05,789
by this because it's now it doesn't seem

2189
01:44:10,220 --> 01:44:07,530
like it's just this little contained

2190
01:44:13,490 --> 01:44:10,230
thing I mean we'd had these ideas and so

2191
01:44:15,890 --> 01:44:13,500
as we're talking about all of this we

2192
01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:15,900
realize that maybe we should start

2193
01:44:19,189 --> 01:44:17,010
paying attention to these

2194
01:44:20,810 --> 01:44:19,199
synchronicities because the only real

2195
01:44:22,129 --> 01:44:20,820
reason that anyone knew that this had

2196
01:44:23,629 --> 01:44:22,139
anything to do anything is because they

2197
01:44:27,080 --> 01:44:23,639
had started to listen to the Mothman

2198
01:44:29,120 --> 01:44:27,090
Prophecies on the way and so the first

2199
01:44:31,430 --> 01:44:29,130
thing we did when we get to town is we

2200
01:44:34,609 --> 01:44:31,440
pull out all of the file folders and we

2201
01:44:38,990 --> 01:44:34,619
start going over this and we realize we

2202
01:44:40,850 --> 01:44:39,000
probably didn't pack in enough time to

2203
01:44:47,450 --> 01:44:40,860
do everything we were going to want to

2204
01:44:49,819 --> 01:44:47,460
do on this investigation the I'm not

2205
01:44:54,680 --> 01:44:49,829
going to give away any spoilers here but

2206
01:44:56,479 --> 01:44:54,690
the John keel part of this story is an

2207
01:44:59,720 --> 01:44:56,489
intriguing one

2208
01:45:03,880 --> 01:44:59,730
when you get to Episode five as things

2209
01:45:06,350 --> 01:45:03,890
are resolving where that John keel

2210
01:45:08,750 --> 01:45:06,360
synchronicity right happens a counter

2211
01:45:10,550 --> 01:45:08,760
picks up a book you guys are at your

2212
01:45:12,860 --> 01:45:10,560
apartment I don't mind no spoilers here

2213
01:45:15,229 --> 01:45:12,870
but he just happens to have it you know

2214
01:45:19,459 --> 01:45:15,239
it's a book of John keel stories and

2215
01:45:25,130 --> 01:45:19,469
whatever and and there it is in like two

2216
01:45:27,320 --> 01:45:25,140
sentences the last what happens to you

2217
01:45:30,380 --> 01:45:27,330
at the end and that was that was pretty

2218
01:45:33,290 --> 01:45:30,390
trippy where in that and I want to get

2219
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:33,300
back to you guys arriving in Hellyer but

2220
01:45:41,209 --> 01:45:37,610
that in of itself is so bleeping

2221
01:45:43,370 --> 01:45:41,219
specific no spoilers but it's so

2222
01:45:48,430 --> 01:45:43,380
specific where you just got to step back

2223
01:45:53,260 --> 01:45:48,440
and go wait a minute here you know that

2224
01:45:55,820 --> 01:45:53,270
summed up the case totally 100%

2225
01:45:58,010 --> 01:45:55,830
synchronicities man as synchronicities

2226
01:46:01,790 --> 01:45:58,020
you just don't ignore him okay let's go

2227
01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:01,800
back you guys pull into town and before

2228
01:46:06,860 --> 01:46:04,410
the break we're gonna get to Connor and

2229
01:46:11,030 --> 01:46:06,870
what happens with him on the front porch

2230
01:46:13,910 --> 01:46:11,040
but you guys pulled into town yes we

2231
01:46:17,060 --> 01:46:13,920
pull into town and we basically try to

2232
01:46:19,190 --> 01:46:17,070
recreate the same situation that we did

2233
01:46:21,560 --> 01:46:19,200
last time so we go to the same gas

2234
01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:21,570
station we you know kind of park out far

2235
01:46:25,970 --> 01:46:23,850
out front and and look friendly you know

2236
01:46:28,570 --> 01:46:25,980
and sort of try not to be super weird

2237
01:46:33,890 --> 01:46:28,580
talking to people about aliens and

2238
01:46:36,650 --> 01:46:33,900
potential goblins and we have oddly

2239
01:46:38,390 --> 01:46:36,660
different experience than we did the

2240
01:46:40,310 --> 01:46:38,400
first time the first time we were there

2241
01:46:41,840 --> 01:46:40,320
people were really excited to talk to us

2242
01:46:44,120 --> 01:46:41,850
they had stories that they wanted to

2243
01:46:46,250 --> 01:46:44,130
tell us and it took a little bit of

2244
01:46:48,650 --> 01:46:46,260
prodding and poking when we originally

2245
01:46:51,740 --> 01:46:48,660
are when we got there because a lot of

2246
01:46:53,540 --> 01:46:51,750
people just sort of you know I think I

2247
01:46:55,400 --> 01:46:53,550
think it was partially the fact that we

2248
01:46:56,660 --> 01:46:55,410
had cameras with us and maybe we were a

2249
01:46:58,910 --> 01:46:56,670
bigger group of people and they were

2250
01:47:01,100 --> 01:46:58,920
kind of suspicious about who we were but

2251
01:47:03,800 --> 01:47:01,110
there weren't a lot of people the first

2252
01:47:05,720 --> 01:47:03,810
night who were really willing to tell us

2253
01:47:07,640 --> 01:47:05,730
if they were even having strange things

2254
01:47:10,100 --> 01:47:07,650
happening on their property the one

2255
01:47:14,089 --> 01:47:10,110
thing that we we did

2256
01:47:17,240 --> 01:47:14,099
get was a warning from someone oh yeah

2257
01:47:20,450 --> 01:47:17,250
telling us to be careful and not to kind

2258
01:47:23,510 --> 01:47:20,460
of go off into mines with people and to

2259
01:47:25,729 --> 01:47:23,520
you know be aware of are you you know

2260
01:47:28,010 --> 01:47:25,739
where we were follow if anyone tells you

2261
01:47:29,359 --> 01:47:28,020
what what that they they have the answer

2262
01:47:30,770 --> 01:47:29,369
to something don't follow the follow

2263
01:47:32,899 --> 01:47:30,780
follow them out in the woods

2264
01:47:35,089 --> 01:47:32,909
yeah watch yourselves which was super

2265
01:47:37,339 --> 01:47:35,099
scary yeah and I mean again the first

2266
01:47:39,950 --> 01:47:37,349
time we had been to town everyone was

2267
01:47:41,720 --> 01:47:39,960
really happy to talk to us everyone was

2268
01:47:43,669 --> 01:47:41,730
super excited about sharing their

2269
01:47:46,310 --> 01:47:43,679
stories and then the second time we have

2270
01:47:49,160 --> 01:47:46,320
people telling us to be careful and we

2271
01:47:51,109 --> 01:47:49,170
were kind of getting you know the the

2272
01:47:54,290 --> 01:47:51,119
evil eye from people and and it doesn't

2273
01:47:56,390 --> 01:47:54,300
feel super super fun it feels kind of

2274
01:47:57,979 --> 01:47:56,400
scary and it felt a little bit hostile

2275
01:47:59,120 --> 01:47:57,989
that very first night kind of standing

2276
01:48:02,750 --> 01:47:59,130
out there trying to get people to talk

2277
01:48:04,669 --> 01:48:02,760
to us and and with Hell here this is

2278
01:48:07,069 --> 01:48:04,679
where I started to freak out a little

2279
01:48:10,970 --> 01:48:07,079
bit in that look I've seen the movie

2280
01:48:14,959 --> 01:48:10,980
deliverance right and I say that a

2281
01:48:19,729 --> 01:48:14,969
little bit in jest but one thing is for

2282
01:48:22,609 --> 01:48:19,739
sure is is Hellyer is isolated it's by

2283
01:48:25,669 --> 01:48:22,619
itself and you guys are up there you're

2284
01:48:28,160 --> 01:48:25,679
a long ways from help and if anything

2285
01:48:30,229 --> 01:48:28,170
stupid or freaky or anything jumps off

2286
01:48:32,740 --> 01:48:30,239
you guys are on your own

2287
01:48:36,169 --> 01:48:32,750
right and and you are truly the

2288
01:48:40,760 --> 01:48:36,179
Outsiders in this town coming into their

2289
01:48:44,450 --> 01:48:40,770
bubble of you know safeness this is you

2290
01:48:46,760 --> 01:48:44,460
are you are in their world now exactly

2291
01:48:50,180 --> 01:48:46,770
that was very apparent that first night

2292
01:48:52,760 --> 01:48:50,190
back we we were all kind of looking at

2293
01:48:55,549 --> 01:48:52,770
each other and really feeling how

2294
01:48:59,540 --> 01:48:55,559
isolated we were we were feeling how out

2295
01:49:02,660 --> 01:48:59,550
of place we were and it was it it was

2296
01:49:05,299 --> 01:49:02,670
intimidating I mean it is a small town

2297
01:49:06,859 --> 01:49:05,309
and it is you know in the middle of

2298
01:49:10,490 --> 01:49:06,869
nowhere and everyone does know each

2299
01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:10,500
other and they really do kind of look

2300
01:49:14,569 --> 01:49:13,050
suspicious you if they don't know who

2301
01:49:18,500 --> 01:49:14,579
you are and and you know when you're

2302
01:49:21,049 --> 01:49:18,510
that far away from civilization it can

2303
01:49:22,580 --> 01:49:21,059
it can be incredibly intimidating and we

2304
01:49:24,400 --> 01:49:22,590
definitely did not look like we know

2305
01:49:28,550 --> 01:49:24,410
from the area

2306
01:49:30,260 --> 01:49:28,560
yeah totally totally totally and and and

2307
01:49:33,740 --> 01:49:30,270
that's it and you have to respect those

2308
01:49:35,660 --> 01:49:33,750
boundaries because they are around each

2309
01:49:37,250 --> 01:49:35,670
other all day long they know everybody

2310
01:49:39,290 --> 01:49:37,260
there and their personality know

2311
01:49:40,250 --> 01:49:39,300
everybody's life they know everything

2312
01:49:43,250 --> 01:49:40,260
about everything

2313
01:49:46,160 --> 01:49:43,260
you guys are disruptors that's you know

2314
01:49:50,750 --> 01:49:46,170
that's that's the way that that you know

2315
01:49:52,820 --> 01:49:50,760
you you are there they're there their

2316
01:49:57,080 --> 01:49:52,830
way of life their daily thing you guys

2317
01:49:59,120 --> 01:49:57,090
are now what's the word that I want to

2318
01:50:00,860 --> 01:49:59,130
you know there's a consistency that goes

2319
01:50:03,830 --> 01:50:00,870
on there day to day you guys show wow

2320
01:50:05,720 --> 01:50:03,840
yeah and that changes for them so well

2321
01:50:07,580 --> 01:50:05,730
and one of the things that we we didn't

2322
01:50:09,830 --> 01:50:07,590
really even think about this too much

2323
01:50:12,140 --> 01:50:09,840
until Helier had come out because we've

2324
01:50:15,830 --> 01:50:12,150
heard a lot from the locals who have

2325
01:50:18,530 --> 01:50:15,840
even more stories to tell one of the

2326
01:50:21,650 --> 01:50:18,540
things that you know they've bent these

2327
01:50:24,770 --> 01:50:21,660
types of places are exploited quite

2328
01:50:28,370 --> 01:50:24,780
often people go to these towns and they

2329
01:50:31,550 --> 01:50:28,380
they reiterate this stereotype of the

2330
01:50:33,410 --> 01:50:31,560
dumb hillbilly in their media and these

2331
01:50:34,640 --> 01:50:33,420
people are very cautious of it because

2332
01:50:36,560 --> 01:50:34,650
these types of people have gone through

2333
01:50:38,780 --> 01:50:36,570
this before and like I mentioned earlier

2334
01:50:40,310 --> 01:50:38,790
a lot of them go and they live there and

2335
01:50:42,350 --> 01:50:40,320
they stay there because they are left

2336
01:50:45,620 --> 01:50:42,360
alone because no one's gonna bother them

2337
01:50:46,940 --> 01:50:45,630
so this group of city slicker kids you

2338
01:50:48,770 --> 01:50:46,950
know come into town and start asking

2339
01:50:50,570 --> 01:50:48,780
some questions and pointing cameras at

2340
01:50:52,730 --> 01:50:50,580
them and immediately they're gonna be

2341
01:50:54,560 --> 01:50:52,740
suspicious so we had that really that

2342
01:51:00,640 --> 01:50:54,570
was stacked against us from the get-go

2343
01:51:03,290 --> 01:51:00,650
now two things happen next I believe

2344
01:51:05,210 --> 01:51:03,300
they're an order it's all running

2345
01:51:08,600 --> 01:51:05,220
together for me now but of course it

2346
01:51:12,440 --> 01:51:08,610
it's Connor with the estie's test was

2347
01:51:14,150 --> 01:51:12,450
that on the first night I think it was

2348
01:51:15,950 --> 01:51:14,160
the first night that we went to the

2349
01:51:20,480 --> 01:51:15,960
cabin that's right cabin in the area

2350
01:51:23,000 --> 01:51:20,490
right and we felt kind of you know Dana

2351
01:51:25,010 --> 01:51:23,010
did a little ritual because we thought

2352
01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:25,020
okay you know we felt like we'd hit a

2353
01:51:27,410 --> 01:51:25,770
brick wall

2354
01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:27,420
there were there were things here and

2355
01:51:31,310 --> 01:51:29,850
there somebody had told us that you know

2356
01:51:33,860 --> 01:51:31,320
their son had found a three-toed

2357
01:51:35,750 --> 01:51:33,870
footprint they wanted to show us it but

2358
01:51:37,010 --> 01:51:35,760
for that day we were just kind of tapped

2359
01:51:39,950 --> 01:51:37,020
out so we went back to the

2360
01:51:42,110 --> 01:51:39,960
a cabin and we regrouped and we started

2361
01:51:43,400 --> 01:51:42,120
to think about theories and and what

2362
01:51:44,690 --> 01:51:43,410
this could be what was the next step

2363
01:51:47,090 --> 01:51:44,700
where do we go do we go to the town hall

2364
01:51:49,570 --> 01:51:47,100
tomorrow whatever and as we're sitting

2365
01:51:53,230 --> 01:51:49,580
there we just got this idea we're we're

2366
01:51:55,490 --> 01:51:53,240
we're on the mountain we're in this area

2367
01:51:58,120 --> 01:51:55,500
we're in the middle of nowhere in this

2368
01:52:00,200 --> 01:51:58,130
cabin why don't we just go outside and

2369
01:52:02,480 --> 01:52:00,210
we'll just make our presence known

2370
01:52:05,240 --> 01:52:02,490
because we're coming at this from people

2371
01:52:07,220 --> 01:52:05,250
who are from a ghost

2372
01:52:09,170 --> 01:52:07,230
ghosty background we've investigated

2373
01:52:10,700 --> 01:52:09,180
poltergeist so you know we have a Museum

2374
01:52:13,460 --> 01:52:10,710
of haunted objects we really come at it

2375
01:52:15,830 --> 01:52:13,470
from that perspective and it's always

2376
01:52:17,510 --> 01:52:15,840
important to set your intentions when

2377
01:52:19,430 --> 01:52:17,520
you go into a haunted house because that

2378
01:52:21,980 --> 01:52:19,440
really dictates the kind of experience

2379
01:52:25,100 --> 01:52:21,990
you're gonna get we're of the mindset

2380
01:52:26,750 --> 01:52:25,110
that a lot of this activity it's all

2381
01:52:28,940 --> 01:52:26,760
connected you know you do it long enough

2382
01:52:32,150 --> 01:52:28,950
and you figure you start to see the

2383
01:52:33,830 --> 01:52:32,160
patterns Bigfoot's investigators are

2384
01:52:35,510 --> 01:52:33,840
really experiencing stuff that a lot of

2385
01:52:37,190 --> 01:52:35,520
you know you'll follow just experience

2386
01:52:38,390 --> 01:52:37,200
and sometimes some you apologists are

2387
01:52:41,660 --> 01:52:38,400
experiencing things that Ghost Hunters

2388
01:52:44,210 --> 01:52:41,670
experience so we went into it with the

2389
01:52:46,190 --> 01:52:44,220
idea that this is all connected let's do

2390
01:52:48,170 --> 01:52:46,200
what we know how to do let's set our

2391
01:52:52,040 --> 01:52:48,180
intentions Dana did a little ritual and

2392
01:52:54,380 --> 01:52:52,050
then we had some strange activity and

2393
01:52:57,350 --> 01:52:54,390
once with that kicked up Connor sat down

2394
01:52:59,390 --> 01:52:57,360
and decided to do the Estes method which

2395
01:53:02,090 --> 01:52:59,400
is one of the most fascinating things

2396
01:53:03,260 --> 01:53:02,100
I've ever seen if people are familiar

2397
01:53:05,120 --> 01:53:03,270
with a lot of the ghost Hoying

2398
01:53:07,490 --> 01:53:05,130
television shows and and paranormal

2399
01:53:10,540 --> 01:53:07,500
investigator normal investigators they

2400
01:53:13,610 --> 01:53:10,550
know that ghost boxes are all the rage

2401
01:53:16,220 --> 01:53:13,620
they're these devices that sweep through

2402
01:53:18,920 --> 01:53:16,230
radio frequencies at a rapid rate and

2403
01:53:20,900 --> 01:53:18,930
sometimes a word gets spit out now I

2404
01:53:22,670 --> 01:53:20,910
need to preface this by saying I hate

2405
01:53:25,550 --> 01:53:22,680
ghost boxes I think it's one of the

2406
01:53:27,950 --> 01:53:25,560
worst forms of ITC I think that they

2407
01:53:29,180 --> 01:53:27,960
give tons of false positives especially

2408
01:53:30,590 --> 01:53:29,190
when there's a group of people who are

2409
01:53:32,690 --> 01:53:30,600
all convincing each other that they are

2410
01:53:35,120 --> 01:53:32,700
hearing the same thing right I never

2411
01:53:38,000 --> 01:53:35,130
took it seriously until I saw the way

2412
01:53:40,520 --> 01:53:38,010
that Karl and Connor came up with this

2413
01:53:43,190 --> 01:53:40,530
method of using it which employs a lot

2414
01:53:46,460 --> 01:53:43,200
of old parapsychological techniques so

2415
01:53:50,810 --> 01:53:46,470
the way this works is you take a ghost

2416
01:53:53,540 --> 01:53:50,820
box they use an sb7 spirit box a pair of

2417
01:53:55,760 --> 01:53:53,550
Civic drumming headphones Connors a

2418
01:53:58,640 --> 01:53:55,770
drummer in a Colorado punk band called

2419
01:54:01,129 --> 01:53:58,650
the Ghoulies so he used his drumming

2420
01:54:04,430 --> 01:54:01,139
headphones which block out 20 decibels

2421
01:54:09,709 --> 01:54:04,440
worth of noise and they plug it straight

2422
01:54:13,189 --> 01:54:09,719
into the sb7 Connor puts on an eye mask

2423
01:54:15,879 --> 01:54:13,199
so the idea is he can't hear anything he

2424
01:54:19,550 --> 01:54:15,889
can't see anything all he hears are

2425
01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:19,560
these radio frequencies sweeping he acts

2426
01:54:26,300 --> 01:54:23,010
as a receiver somebody else asses the

2427
01:54:29,209 --> 01:54:26,310
questioner what's really compelling to

2428
01:54:32,060 --> 01:54:29,219
me is when somebody is asking questions

2429
01:54:34,010 --> 01:54:32,070
that Connor can't hear and he's only

2430
01:54:36,500 --> 01:54:34,020
spitting out the words he hears on the

2431
01:54:38,660 --> 01:54:36,510
spirit box and he starts answering those

2432
01:54:41,780 --> 01:54:38,670
questions having a full-on conversation

2433
01:54:44,660 --> 01:54:41,790
exactly so for the audience I want you

2434
01:54:46,609 --> 01:54:44,670
to understand as opposed to everybody in

2435
01:54:49,600 --> 01:54:46,619
the room and the spirit and everybody

2436
01:54:53,089 --> 01:54:49,610
can hear everything and and and

2437
01:54:57,740 --> 01:54:53,099
seriously pollute and contaminate what

2438
01:54:59,419 --> 01:54:57,750
they are doing here Connor is isolated

2439
01:55:01,729 --> 01:54:59,429
he can't hear the questions that are

2440
01:55:03,140 --> 01:55:01,739
being asked he can't see he can't see

2441
01:55:07,189 --> 01:55:03,150
expressions he can't do anything he can

2442
01:55:09,379 --> 01:55:07,199
only listen to the spirit box you guys

2443
01:55:11,720 --> 01:55:09,389
are asking the questions he has no idea

2444
01:55:14,750 --> 01:55:11,730
what's going on that is pretty

2445
01:55:16,100 --> 01:55:14,760
scientific that's a good method yeah I

2446
01:55:19,490 --> 01:55:16,110
mean it's really it's kind of a

2447
01:55:21,979 --> 01:55:19,500
double-blind thing and it's and that was

2448
01:55:23,810 --> 01:55:21,989
the first time that I I was so stunned

2449
01:55:26,660 --> 01:55:23,820
because I'd seen them do it they had a

2450
01:55:29,600 --> 01:55:26,670
web series fantastic web series called

2451
01:55:31,850 --> 01:55:29,610
spirits of the Stanly which they shot at

2452
01:55:33,319 --> 01:55:31,860
the Stanley Hotel and it's you can

2453
01:55:36,290 --> 01:55:33,329
actually see them coming up with this

2454
01:55:37,939 --> 01:55:36,300
method as it progresses this was the

2455
01:55:39,919 --> 01:55:37,949
first time I'd seen it in person and I

2456
01:55:42,919 --> 01:55:39,929
was absolutely blown away because what

2457
01:55:45,560 --> 01:55:42,929
starts to happen is Connors predicting

2458
01:55:46,939 --> 01:55:45,570
the future he's actually predicting

2459
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:46,949
things that are going to happen to us

2460
01:55:51,080 --> 01:55:50,010
within 30 seconds and I was losing my

2461
01:55:53,000 --> 01:55:51,090
mind because I'd never seen anything

2462
01:55:55,459 --> 01:55:53,010
like it it was the best way I can

2463
01:55:57,709 --> 01:55:55,469
describe it is like technologically

2464
01:56:01,129 --> 01:55:57,719
assisted mediumship panels like

2465
01:56:03,590 --> 01:56:01,139
channeling yes yes yes I was I was just

2466
01:56:07,370 --> 01:56:03,600
just I was there

2467
01:56:10,220 --> 01:56:07,380
was there up I could not stop and now

2468
01:56:16,180 --> 01:56:10,230
we've got two minutes to the break and a

2469
01:56:18,800 --> 01:56:16,190
key thing now again no spoilers here but

2470
01:56:22,250 --> 01:56:18,810
everybody's got to go and watch episode

2471
01:56:24,410 --> 01:56:22,260
5 we've we've only teased you up to this

2472
01:56:27,620 --> 01:56:24,420
point there was so much stuff that is

2473
01:56:33,760 --> 01:56:27,630
going on believe it or not there's so

2474
01:56:37,910 --> 01:56:33,770
much more but at this point he says ok I

2475
01:56:39,650 --> 01:56:37,920
you you tell he mentions an object it's

2476
01:56:42,380 --> 01:56:39,660
safe to mention the object nobody's

2477
01:56:46,790 --> 01:56:42,390
going to know until they see episode 5

2478
01:56:50,360 --> 01:56:46,800
but what does he say in the moment

2479
01:56:54,380 --> 01:56:50,370
Connor has a very distinct visual image

2480
01:56:56,950 --> 01:56:54,390
that pops directly into his mind and he

2481
01:57:01,910 --> 01:56:56,960
doesn't really know why but he sees a

2482
01:57:06,050 --> 01:57:01,920
tin can on a really specific tin can

2483
01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:06,060
yeah yep and and now okay so everybody

2484
01:57:10,310 --> 01:57:08,010
just kind of hold on to that thought and

2485
01:57:11,900 --> 01:57:10,320
when you see when you see the series

2486
01:57:15,530 --> 01:57:11,910
you'll know what happens from there but

2487
01:57:18,140 --> 01:57:15,540
it happens well he is predicting the

2488
01:57:22,780 --> 01:57:18,150
future and and this is something else

2489
01:57:25,460 --> 01:57:22,790
that I've got to mention this last year

2490
01:57:28,760 --> 01:57:25,470
at ecity ranch

2491
01:57:30,620 --> 01:57:28,770
I had a daytime UFO sighting with with a

2492
01:57:34,490 --> 01:57:30,630
group of people right there was many

2493
01:57:37,640 --> 01:57:34,500
people around me and it was 40 miles

2494
01:57:43,450 --> 01:57:37,650
away behind Mount Adams but are you

2495
01:57:47,230 --> 01:57:43,460
ready I've described it as the beer can

2496
01:57:54,680 --> 01:57:50,840
yes because this popped up and Hellyer

2497
01:57:56,060 --> 01:57:54,690
and I look you guys don't know about

2498
01:57:58,880 --> 01:57:56,070
this I haven't talked to you about this

2499
01:58:06,490 --> 01:57:58,890
but when this popped up in Helier Oh

2500
01:58:13,890 --> 01:58:09,770
that's that's what happened

2501
01:58:17,100 --> 01:58:13,900
pretty pretty funny at that moment

2502
01:58:18,510 --> 01:58:17,110
Gregg you know exactly what part of the

2503
01:58:19,950 --> 01:58:18,520
series that I called you him because we

2504
01:58:23,490 --> 01:58:19,960
talked about it but that's where it was

2505
01:58:25,200 --> 01:58:23,500
and and I I'm just gonna leave it right

2506
01:58:27,330 --> 01:58:25,210
there the audience knows about the

2507
01:58:29,400 --> 01:58:27,340
daytime sighting you've got to go and

2508
01:58:31,260 --> 01:58:29,410
watch hell here we're gonna take a break

2509
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right here we come back we're gonna

2510
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you're gonna continue this journey it

2511
01:58:40,710 --> 01:58:33,850
gets nuts

2512
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2602
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2613
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2614
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2615
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2618
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2619
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2620
02:03:34,390 --> 02:03:29,570
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2621
02:03:47,340 --> 02:03:34,400
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2622
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[Music]

2623
02:03:53,650 --> 02:03:49,400
welcome back fade to black I'm Neil

2624
02:03:56,080 --> 02:03:53,660
Shubin Church that's right you need to

2625
02:04:01,300 --> 02:03:56,090
check out Hellyer that's all I've got to

2626
02:04:04,690 --> 02:04:01,310
say I was I was told and you know the

2627
02:04:07,570 --> 02:04:04,700
the email the comments the tweets about

2628
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you know that that this was out that I

2629
02:04:13,120 --> 02:04:09,530
needed to go check it out and the

2630
02:04:15,610 --> 02:04:13,130
excitement around it has been bred and

2631
02:04:20,230 --> 02:04:15,620
spent pretty cool how has the reception

2632
02:04:22,150 --> 02:04:20,240
been to hell you're so far I mean it's

2633
02:04:24,400 --> 02:04:22,160
been great it's fantastic I think anyone

2634
02:04:27,280 --> 02:04:24,410
who watches it will know that it's not

2635
02:04:29,830 --> 02:04:27,290
made for your typical paranormal

2636
02:04:31,300 --> 02:04:29,840
television viewer there's some concepts

2637
02:04:32,920 --> 02:04:31,310
in it that are a little bit different

2638
02:04:34,810 --> 02:04:32,930
there are things that you know they're

2639
02:04:36,220 --> 02:04:34,820
not new by any means I mean people like

2640
02:04:39,130 --> 02:04:36,230
you know Jacques Vallee

2641
02:04:40,690 --> 02:04:39,140
and John keel people that we really

2642
02:04:43,270 --> 02:04:40,700
respect and have read a lot there are a

2643
02:04:46,090 --> 02:04:43,280
lot of those types of concepts and it's

2644
02:04:48,220 --> 02:04:46,100
been really awesome to see who it

2645
02:04:51,070 --> 02:04:48,230
resonates with and what type of person

2646
02:04:54,130 --> 02:04:51,080
it resonates with it's you know there's

2647
02:04:55,750 --> 02:04:54,140
always going to be the this isn't a

2648
02:04:57,160 --> 02:04:55,760
spoiler so much but there's always going

2649
02:05:00,690 --> 02:04:57,170
to be a group of people who won't be

2650
02:05:03,100 --> 02:05:00,700
happy until we come out of a cave

2651
02:05:04,960 --> 02:05:03,110
triumphantly dragging a dead goblin with

2652
02:05:08,530 --> 02:05:04,970
automatic weapons slung over our

2653
02:05:12,550 --> 02:05:08,540
shoulders but that does not exactly

2654
02:05:15,910 --> 02:05:12,560
happen there's there is a crescendo but

2655
02:05:20,020 --> 02:05:15,920
it's not your typical paranormal media

2656
02:05:20,560 --> 02:05:20,030
no it's a great ending and and well you

2657
02:05:23,770 --> 02:05:20,570
know okay

2658
02:05:28,990 --> 02:05:23,780
let's do a little but let's do a little

2659
02:05:34,210 --> 02:05:29,000
teaser here for everybody in that there

2660
02:05:36,160 --> 02:05:34,220
there has to be a part - yeah yeah I

2661
02:05:39,010 --> 02:05:36,170
mean one of the things we've been saying

2662
02:05:45,220 --> 02:05:39,020
is that Hollyer was really a prologue it

2663
02:05:48,370 --> 02:05:45,230
was it was the beginning and we have to

2664
02:05:50,080 --> 02:05:48,380
continue along the investigation one of

2665
02:05:52,600 --> 02:05:50,090
the things that became clear to us

2666
02:05:54,640 --> 02:05:52,610
because when we set out to shoot Helier

2667
02:05:57,189 --> 02:05:54,650
we didn't know what it was gonna be it

2668
02:05:58,990 --> 02:05:57,199
originally was going to be a documentary

2669
02:06:01,000 --> 02:05:59,000
like an hour-and-a-half documentary and

2670
02:06:03,910 --> 02:06:01,010
when we realized how big and expansive

2671
02:06:06,220 --> 02:06:03,920
this case was but people have to keep in

2672
02:06:11,020 --> 02:06:06,230
mind is they're seeing things as they

2673
02:06:12,850 --> 02:06:11,030
unfold so we we show a lot in Hellyer

2674
02:06:14,380 --> 02:06:12,860
that you don't normally see in a lot of

2675
02:06:16,240 --> 02:06:14,390
this media we show the actual

2676
02:06:19,060 --> 02:06:16,250
investigation with the highs and the

2677
02:06:21,669 --> 02:06:19,070
lows and the dead ends this was the

2678
02:06:23,880 --> 02:06:21,679
start of something much bigger and what

2679
02:06:26,290 --> 02:06:23,890
happens in the final episode

2680
02:06:29,740 --> 02:06:26,300
particularly in the last 30 seconds or

2681
02:06:32,439 --> 02:06:29,750
so we've had questions where people say

2682
02:06:35,560 --> 02:06:32,449
you know did that really happen yeah it

2683
02:06:40,870 --> 02:06:35,570
did it's not there to be cute Helier had

2684
02:06:45,250 --> 02:06:40,880
a different ending until of February and

2685
02:06:47,740 --> 02:06:45,260
at that point we knew okay this is huge

2686
02:06:49,510 --> 02:06:47,750
and the second season is going to be so

2687
02:06:53,110 --> 02:06:49,520
much bigger and so much more expansive

2688
02:06:55,240 --> 02:06:53,120
and we're far more prepared this time

2689
02:06:59,350 --> 02:06:55,250
than we were the first time there there

2690
02:07:03,580 --> 02:06:59,360
are indications throughout the first

2691
02:07:06,450 --> 02:07:03,590
four episodes leading into five starting

2692
02:07:09,790 --> 02:07:06,460
with the first episode that this is a

2693
02:07:12,700 --> 02:07:09,800
big deal it's a big case it's complex

2694
02:07:15,939 --> 02:07:12,710
it's not anything what you thought it

2695
02:07:19,020 --> 02:07:15,949
was ultimately going to be and there was

2696
02:07:23,439 --> 02:07:19,030
a lot of secrecy and cloak-and-dagger

2697
02:07:28,330 --> 02:07:23,449
Bizzaro moments in each episode that

2698
02:07:31,090 --> 02:07:28,340
shows you as as the viewer how big and

2699
02:07:36,160 --> 02:07:31,100
how wide this is it's not a simple case

2700
02:07:38,200 --> 02:07:36,170
of you know some some goblins or ETS

2701
02:07:41,260 --> 02:07:38,210
playing in the backyard with the

2702
02:07:42,130 --> 02:07:41,270
children's toys it's it's much much

2703
02:07:49,390 --> 02:07:42,140
bigger than that

2704
02:07:55,560 --> 02:07:49,400
which takes me to this there is a moment

2705
02:08:08,290 --> 02:08:02,439
while sitting around and talking and who

2706
02:08:10,750 --> 02:08:08,300
had the who had the isp idea first what

2707
02:08:13,540 --> 02:08:10,760
was it you Couric or was it

2708
02:08:15,729 --> 02:08:13,550
no it was Rashad it was Rashad right a

2709
02:08:17,140 --> 02:08:15,739
cameraman you don't you don't see much

2710
02:08:19,899 --> 02:08:17,150
of him but he really is kind of the

2711
02:08:21,520 --> 02:08:19,909
unsung hero of Helier because he's the

2712
02:08:23,589 --> 02:08:21,530
guy who was holding the camera the

2713
02:08:26,410 --> 02:08:23,599
entire time and it's all he did and he's

2714
02:08:28,479 --> 02:08:26,420
looking at the email I'm gonna let you

2715
02:08:31,330 --> 02:08:28,489
tell the story but he's speaking to you

2716
02:08:34,089 --> 02:08:31,340
and that's what it was right you're

2717
02:08:37,449 --> 02:08:34,099
sitting down he's speaking to you and

2718
02:08:40,959 --> 02:08:37,459
he's looking at whose email is he is he

2719
02:08:44,560 --> 02:08:40,969
looking at so he's looking at the email

2720
02:08:46,089 --> 02:08:44,570
from David Christy and we're sitting

2721
02:08:47,739 --> 02:08:46,099
around again it was another one of those

2722
02:08:49,060 --> 02:08:47,749
moments where there's you know a dead

2723
02:08:50,529 --> 02:08:49,070
end and then there's a dangling carrot

2724
02:08:52,029 --> 02:08:50,539
and we follow the carrot and then

2725
02:08:53,859 --> 02:08:52,039
there's a dead end and in this this

2726
02:08:56,259 --> 02:08:53,869
keeps happening it's a continuous thing

2727
02:08:59,259 --> 02:08:56,269
something's pushing us or directing us

2728
02:09:01,600 --> 02:08:59,269
somewhere and we're frustrated we're at

2729
02:09:03,370 --> 02:09:01,610
the cabin and we're just kind of sitting

2730
02:09:08,020 --> 02:09:03,380
around trying to figure out what the

2731
02:09:10,540 --> 02:09:08,030
next step is and Rashad says you know it

2732
02:09:13,359 --> 02:09:10,550
says here I'm just googling around it

2733
02:09:15,549 --> 02:09:13,369
says you might be able to trace this

2734
02:09:17,319 --> 02:09:15,559
email you might be able to trace this IP

2735
02:09:18,000 --> 02:09:17,329
address and figure out where this came

2736
02:09:21,520 --> 02:09:18,010
from

2737
02:09:23,169 --> 02:09:21,530
and so there was this mad dash where

2738
02:09:26,020 --> 02:09:23,179
everybody you know all the cameras

2739
02:09:28,449 --> 02:09:26,030
turned on and we sat down and we started

2740
02:09:32,290 --> 02:09:28,459
to trace these emails now why didn't you

2741
02:09:34,359 --> 02:09:32,300
why didn't you do this before never

2742
02:09:39,189 --> 02:09:34,369
occurred to us I never knew you could do

2743
02:09:43,299 --> 02:09:39,199
such a thing I'm I'm not a techie I had

2744
02:09:46,060 --> 02:09:43,309
no clue so it was it's a good example of

2745
02:09:47,620 --> 02:09:46,070
like a go right group of people right

2746
02:09:50,830 --> 02:09:47,630
you know I mean where you just have that

2747
02:09:52,149 --> 02:09:50,840
one person who you know Rashad may not

2748
02:09:54,040 --> 02:09:52,159
have had a background in paranormal

2749
02:09:55,449 --> 02:09:54,050
investigation but he in that moment he

2750
02:09:57,790 --> 02:09:55,459
was like oh wait why don't we try this

2751
02:09:59,529 --> 02:09:57,800
and it just we were like why didn't any

2752
02:10:01,479 --> 02:09:59,539
of us think about that of course that's

2753
02:10:05,830 --> 02:10:01,489
what we should try no sort of this like

2754
02:10:10,560 --> 02:10:05,840
perfect moment and and spoiler alert

2755
02:10:14,410 --> 02:10:10,570
Dana's sitting there sitting there

2756
02:10:17,620 --> 02:10:14,420
listening to this conversation and I'm

2757
02:10:20,219 --> 02:10:17,630
watching you're not saying much Dana but

2758
02:10:23,500 --> 02:10:20,229
I can see the wheels are turning right

2759
02:10:24,159 --> 02:10:23,510
what what what were you thinking at that

2760
02:10:29,739 --> 02:10:24,169
moment

2761
02:10:32,889 --> 02:10:29,749
that yes that's the best way to describe

2762
02:10:37,810 --> 02:10:32,899
it it I I think you're actually watching

2763
02:10:39,879 --> 02:10:37,820
me process I'm processing everything and

2764
02:10:42,009 --> 02:10:39,889
it's like I don't think I was aware of

2765
02:10:44,020 --> 02:10:42,019
even being on camera I don't think that

2766
02:10:45,520 --> 02:10:44,030
I I think I was like literally in that

2767
02:10:48,040 --> 02:10:45,530
holy crap moment where I was just like

2768
02:10:50,290 --> 02:10:48,050
what is happening right now and this

2769
02:10:51,759 --> 02:10:50,300
experiencing you can see it on my face I

2770
02:10:53,409 --> 02:10:51,769
thought you were about to tip over the

2771
02:10:58,509 --> 02:10:53,419
coffee table that's where I thought it

2772
02:11:02,020 --> 02:10:58,519
was doing so I'm sure that that is right

2773
02:11:05,379 --> 02:11:02,030
where you were okay so now you get your

2774
02:11:06,879 --> 02:11:05,389
IT guy on the phone who happens to pick

2775
02:11:10,509 --> 02:11:06,889
up at two o'clock in the morning what

2776
02:11:14,919 --> 02:11:10,519
was his name aha

2777
02:11:17,620 --> 02:11:14,929
Steve Steve was one of Carl and Connor's

2778
02:11:18,729 --> 02:11:17,630
friends who worked on their series of

2779
02:11:21,009 --> 02:11:18,739
spirits the Stanley is one of their

2780
02:11:24,729 --> 02:11:21,019
investigator friends who happens to be a

2781
02:11:26,469 --> 02:11:24,739
IT professional and you know he's a he's

2782
02:11:29,219 --> 02:11:26,479
a ghost hunter and plus you know it's

2783
02:11:33,009 --> 02:11:29,229
it's three to three hours

2784
02:11:36,429 --> 02:11:33,019
previous where we are so he he answers a

2785
02:11:38,229 --> 02:11:36,439
phone and we start running things by him

2786
02:11:42,040 --> 02:11:38,239
we're forwarding emails to him he's

2787
02:11:48,639 --> 02:11:42,050
doing his magic and without spoiling too

2788
02:11:52,330 --> 02:11:48,649
much the the location of the emails was

2789
02:12:01,179 --> 02:11:52,340
not anywhere we anticipated them to be

2790
02:12:02,919 --> 02:12:01,189
and it was an immense bomb yeah it was

2791
02:12:04,600 --> 02:12:02,929
like a bomb had gone off now I'm not

2792
02:12:07,179 --> 02:12:04,610
gonna give away because it's such a

2793
02:12:08,830 --> 02:12:07,189
special moment everybody's just got to

2794
02:12:11,399 --> 02:12:08,840
go and watch it's like 10 minutes long

2795
02:12:16,779 --> 02:12:11,409
15 minutes long it's pretty intense

2796
02:12:21,639 --> 02:12:16,789
but there was one instance that we can't

2797
02:12:26,529 --> 02:12:21,649
talk about and that is the first ISP

2798
02:12:31,149 --> 02:12:26,539
location was mm-hmm was near you guys up

2799
02:12:34,209 --> 02:12:31,159
in Canada it was about two hours north

2800
02:12:37,719 --> 02:12:34,219
of where we were living at the time in

2801
02:12:37,990 --> 02:12:37,729
Toronto and and it was in Toronto right

2802
02:12:41,740 --> 02:12:38,000
on the

2803
02:12:44,200 --> 02:12:41,750
sir it's at Toronto and we kind of had a

2804
02:12:50,410 --> 02:12:44,210
meltdown yeah yeah because it's kind of

2805
02:12:53,650 --> 02:12:50,420
you should see now this is what now I

2806
02:12:57,430 --> 02:12:53,660
put myself immediately in your shoes at

2807
02:13:01,120 --> 02:12:57,440
that moment because because it gets so

2808
02:13:03,220 --> 02:13:01,130
twisted and suddenly the email address

2809
02:13:05,890 --> 02:13:03,230
didn't necessarily come from where you

2810
02:13:07,180 --> 02:13:05,900
thought but the opposite it came out of

2811
02:13:11,020 --> 02:13:07,190
your own backyard

2812
02:13:13,720 --> 02:13:11,030
now the conspiracy trippy thoughts start

2813
02:13:16,120 --> 02:13:13,730
popping into your heads it had to go

2814
02:13:19,870 --> 02:13:16,130
that way for you Dana is that where you

2815
02:13:24,070 --> 02:13:19,880
went yeah I mean that is the moment

2816
02:13:25,990 --> 02:13:24,080
where I'm in full paranoia mode I'm just

2817
02:13:27,760 --> 02:13:26,000
like trying to think of who it could be

2818
02:13:30,910 --> 02:13:27,770
I'm trying to think of why it would be

2819
02:13:32,800 --> 02:13:30,920
and and it's funny too because I think

2820
02:13:35,410 --> 02:13:32,810
the other thing that popped into my head

2821
02:13:38,260 --> 02:13:35,420
at that moment was the same feeling that

2822
02:13:41,230 --> 02:13:38,270
I felt years before when we received an

2823
02:13:43,840 --> 02:13:41,240
email telling us where we had been it

2824
02:13:46,960 --> 02:13:43,850
was like it was too close to home

2825
02:13:49,570 --> 02:13:46,970
it felt invasive I felt really I felt

2826
02:13:52,990 --> 02:13:49,580
really like threatened and again that

2827
02:13:55,150 --> 02:13:53,000
kind of that sinister vibe just sort of

2828
02:13:58,180 --> 02:13:55,160
crept over me in that moment where I

2829
02:13:59,380 --> 02:13:58,190
felt like everything that was happening

2830
02:14:01,960 --> 02:13:59,390
was like way too close to home and I

2831
02:14:04,390 --> 02:14:01,970
felt like I was being played with and I

2832
02:14:07,330 --> 02:14:04,400
that was a in that moment that was a

2833
02:14:09,070 --> 02:14:07,340
really horrible feeling because

2834
02:14:14,020 --> 02:14:09,080
violation a felt like a violation

2835
02:14:16,150 --> 02:14:14,030
exactly if if if Greg could have had WTF

2836
02:14:19,270 --> 02:14:16,160
tattooed on his forehead that was the

2837
02:14:21,400 --> 02:14:19,280
moment well I mean I think even in the

2838
02:14:24,520 --> 02:14:21,410
series you uh you hear me say a few

2839
02:14:28,210 --> 02:14:24,530
words I can't say on the radio I say say

2840
02:14:30,610 --> 02:14:28,220
but I scream them really and that this

2841
02:14:32,920 --> 02:14:30,620
was one of those moments and so we'll

2842
02:14:36,660 --> 02:14:32,930
save it and and and what happens next

2843
02:14:40,120 --> 02:14:36,670
everybody can go and watch it but the

2844
02:14:41,830 --> 02:14:40,130
there's as you guys are pulling this

2845
02:14:45,130 --> 02:14:41,840
apart you guys go back and look at dates

2846
02:14:47,479 --> 02:14:45,140
and locations and you know that you guys

2847
02:14:50,150 --> 02:14:47,489
were actually in Canada

2848
02:14:53,450 --> 02:14:50,160
where this email may or may not have

2849
02:14:55,940 --> 02:14:53,460
originated from a small town just north

2850
02:14:59,330 --> 02:14:55,950
of Toronto when you guys were in Canada

2851
02:15:04,010 --> 02:14:59,340
and dana says it right

2852
02:15:12,229 --> 02:15:04,020
paranoia suspicions oh did you guys hear

2853
02:15:13,700 --> 02:15:12,239
that is that you yeah yeah no wow yeah

2854
02:15:15,950 --> 02:15:13,710
what was that I don't know I'm

2855
02:15:31,820 --> 02:15:15,960
underground I thought it came from you

2856
02:15:34,250 --> 02:15:31,830
guys know in the last episode people are

2857
02:15:37,190 --> 02:15:34,260
look at me on the camera they know I'm

2858
02:15:40,370 --> 02:15:37,200
just sitting here and that sounded like

2859
02:15:44,120 --> 02:15:40,380
a growl yeah that was trippy

2860
02:15:46,580 --> 02:15:44,130
in stereo too as well that was okay

2861
02:15:48,979 --> 02:15:46,590
anyway I've got to go back and listen to

2862
02:15:49,850 --> 02:15:48,989
that look everybody in Twitter what the

2863
02:15:53,630 --> 02:15:49,860
hell was that

2864
02:15:59,120 --> 02:15:53,640
what weird sound what okay yeah that was

2865
02:16:01,610 --> 02:15:59,130
a that was that was bizarre oh okay in

2866
02:16:03,050 --> 02:16:01,620
that this is coming from a small town

2867
02:16:05,740 --> 02:16:03,060
and you guys are doing the old

2868
02:16:08,720 --> 02:16:05,750
triangulation of time and events and

2869
02:16:12,140 --> 02:16:08,730
when it when it hits that close to home

2870
02:16:15,370 --> 02:16:12,150
Greg for you the male side were you

2871
02:16:17,660 --> 02:16:15,380
thinking pragmatically here were you

2872
02:16:20,030 --> 02:16:17,670
thinking black and white or were you

2873
02:16:22,520 --> 02:16:20,040
like you know holy crap okay this is

2874
02:16:25,160 --> 02:16:22,530
this is like getting sinister where was

2875
02:16:27,050 --> 02:16:25,170
your mind at that moment well the first

2876
02:16:29,360 --> 02:16:27,060
thing I did was I started racking my

2877
02:16:31,190 --> 02:16:29,370
brain to everyone that we knew in Canada

2878
02:16:35,270 --> 02:16:31,200
all the researchers we'd have run-ins

2879
02:16:38,450 --> 02:16:35,280
with Canada you know anybody it's not a

2880
02:16:41,750 --> 02:16:38,460
huge secret to say that I have a I have

2881
02:16:44,600 --> 02:16:41,760
a good rogues gallery of enemies right I

2882
02:16:48,890 --> 02:16:44,610
used to yes run a website called who

2883
02:16:53,299 --> 02:16:48,900
forted and I pretty much made it my goal

2884
02:16:55,419 --> 02:16:53,309
to frustrate and irritate as many people

2885
02:16:58,700 --> 02:16:55,429
in the paranormal community as possible

2886
02:17:00,831 --> 02:16:58,710
and the first thing I did was I started

2887
02:17:04,250 --> 02:17:00,841
to wrack my brain and think of who

2888
02:17:08,241 --> 02:17:04,260
is messing with me who did I who did I

2889
02:17:11,360 --> 02:17:08,251
make upset who is who's doing this and I

2890
02:17:14,600 --> 02:17:11,370
couldn't I couldn't narrow it down to

2891
02:17:16,430 --> 02:17:14,610
anybody and and I was lost I mean at

2892
02:17:19,460 --> 02:17:16,440
that point I was absolutely lost because

2893
02:17:21,020 --> 02:17:19,470
I had no idea what to make of it there

2894
02:17:25,400 --> 02:17:21,030
were just too many things that didn't

2895
02:17:29,031 --> 02:17:25,410
add up and I frankly kind of wanted to

2896
02:17:31,460 --> 02:17:29,041
cry or scream one of the two right right

2897
02:17:35,600 --> 02:17:31,470
that was an eye-opening moment and a

2898
02:17:38,300 --> 02:17:35,610
special moment too which again opens up

2899
02:17:41,180 --> 02:17:38,310
all of this into a wider situation

2900
02:17:43,281 --> 02:17:41,190
certainly how things end up resolving

2901
02:17:44,930 --> 02:17:43,291
and then obviously there has to be a

2902
02:17:47,270 --> 02:17:44,940
season two because all of this is tied

2903
02:17:48,730 --> 02:17:47,280
together I did want to ask you this

2904
02:17:51,850 --> 02:17:48,740
while you guys were in the cabin

2905
02:17:54,741 --> 02:17:51,860
anything strange happened

2906
02:17:57,680 --> 02:17:54,751
I'm trying to think of anything overtly

2907
02:18:00,081 --> 02:17:57,690
weird not necessarily in the cabin

2908
02:18:02,510 --> 02:18:00,091
itself it was pretty much outside I mean

2909
02:18:04,581 --> 02:18:02,520
there was stuff that that knew what we

2910
02:18:09,020 --> 02:18:04,591
were doing and knew we were there and

2911
02:18:09,820 --> 02:18:09,030
felt very elemental I think is the best

2912
02:18:12,140 --> 02:18:09,830
way to put it

2913
02:18:13,610 --> 02:18:12,150
so there was definitely stuff going on

2914
02:18:15,500 --> 02:18:13,620
outside the cabin whether I had anything

2915
02:18:18,770 --> 02:18:15,510
to do with the cabin or the fact that we

2916
02:18:21,201 --> 02:18:18,780
were there and we specifically put our

2917
02:18:23,600 --> 02:18:21,211
intentions out into this land to say

2918
02:18:28,581 --> 02:18:23,610
okay we're here we want answers what's

2919
02:18:32,180 --> 02:18:28,591
going on that I don't know now what you

2920
02:18:34,430 --> 02:18:32,190
guys spent seven days in town yeah

2921
02:18:39,980 --> 02:18:34,440
that's about a week yeah okay got a week

2922
02:18:43,520 --> 02:18:39,990
what night was the email ISP night that

2923
02:18:46,460 --> 02:18:43,530
was like yeah right right yeah okay the

2924
02:18:51,880 --> 02:18:46,470
night before we left and so leading up

2925
02:18:55,190 --> 02:18:51,890
to all of this the next day which is

2926
02:18:58,250 --> 02:18:55,200
episode 5 I'll just let everybody you

2927
02:19:01,161 --> 02:18:58,260
know that's episode 5 and I have chosen

2928
02:19:02,510 --> 02:19:01,171
not to go there because it's a it's a

2929
02:19:06,430 --> 02:19:02,520
special episode that ties everything

2930
02:19:08,960 --> 02:19:06,440
together but this leads into episode 5

2931
02:19:13,250 --> 02:19:08,970
did you guys know what you were going to

2932
02:19:13,820 --> 02:19:13,260
do in the morning I don't think we did I

2933
02:19:14,570 --> 02:19:13,830
quit

2934
02:19:16,969 --> 02:19:14,580
we had idea

2935
02:19:19,030 --> 02:19:16,979
yeah I think that we we knew what we

2936
02:19:21,530 --> 02:19:19,040
wanted to be doing but we weren't sure

2937
02:19:24,679 --> 02:19:21,540
whether or not we were actually going to

2938
02:19:27,589 --> 02:19:24,689
be doing it the the thing about Helier

2939
02:19:29,959 --> 02:19:27,599
is we thought we were going to be doing

2940
02:19:32,240 --> 02:19:29,969
one thing when we ended up there we

2941
02:19:34,129 --> 02:19:32,250
thought I think even Connor sums this up

2942
02:19:35,530 --> 02:19:34,139
perfectly we thought we were gonna be

2943
02:19:37,639 --> 02:19:35,540
hanging out in some guys backyard

2944
02:19:39,139 --> 02:19:37,649
waiting for goblins to come out of a

2945
02:19:42,200 --> 02:19:39,149
mineshaft that's what we thought we were

2946
02:19:46,129 --> 02:19:42,210
gonna be doing we were utterly

2947
02:19:50,240 --> 02:19:46,139
unprepared for what we really ended up

2948
02:19:52,429 --> 02:19:50,250
doing and unprepared for the revelations

2949
02:19:54,230 --> 02:19:52,439
that came from what we were going to be

2950
02:19:56,780 --> 02:19:54,240
doing we thought it was going to be

2951
02:19:59,389 --> 02:19:56,790
pretty cut and dry and it was anything

2952
02:20:03,440 --> 02:19:59,399
but everything that happens in the fifth

2953
02:20:06,110 --> 02:20:03,450
episode everything that unravels and you

2954
02:20:10,910 --> 02:20:06,120
know specifically the way that this the

2955
02:20:14,469 --> 02:20:10,920
first season ends we were unprepared for

2956
02:20:19,550 --> 02:20:14,479
we had no concept of what was coming

2957
02:20:22,219 --> 02:20:19,560
okay I do want to discuss one thing that

2958
02:20:28,160 --> 02:20:22,229
happens in Episode five for me that's

2959
02:20:33,920 --> 02:20:28,170
not part of episode five directly but it

2960
02:20:38,540 --> 02:20:33,930
is your ping-pong balls and and and what

2961
02:20:43,960 --> 02:20:38,550
I what I want to discuss is what because

2962
02:20:48,950 --> 02:20:43,970
for me it was a very terrifying

2963
02:20:51,679 --> 02:20:48,960
situation I don't like being in a

2964
02:20:55,490 --> 02:20:51,689
situation that I can't control and you

2965
02:20:57,020 --> 02:20:55,500
are voluntarily put in something that

2966
02:20:58,969 --> 02:20:57,030
you cannot control you don't know what's

2967
02:21:03,440 --> 02:20:58,979
going to happen or what which you are

2968
02:21:09,620 --> 02:21:03,450
going to see and so for everybody tell

2969
02:21:12,260 --> 02:21:09,630
them exactly how this is is prepared

2970
02:21:15,020 --> 02:21:12,270
because it I want everybody to visually

2971
02:21:17,510 --> 02:21:15,030
understand what you're going through how

2972
02:21:20,530 --> 02:21:17,520
the balls are placed the lights and so

2973
02:21:22,760 --> 02:21:20,540
forth so one of the things that we did

2974
02:21:24,469 --> 02:21:22,770
because of the way that we were

2975
02:21:26,300 --> 02:21:24,479
researching this phenomena and because

2976
02:21:27,290 --> 02:21:26,310
it felt like one of these things where

2977
02:21:28,880 --> 02:21:27,300
you

2978
02:21:30,260 --> 02:21:28,890
the psychic phenomena is obviously

2979
02:21:34,160 --> 02:21:30,270
coming into play there were a lot of

2980
02:21:35,269 --> 02:21:34,170
different things that were we wanted to

2981
02:21:36,620 --> 02:21:35,279
explore every Avenue

2982
02:21:38,920 --> 02:21:36,630
so one of the things that we did is we

2983
02:21:41,450 --> 02:21:38,930
did an old Paris psychological

2984
02:21:43,580 --> 02:21:41,460
experiment called the the ganzfeld

2985
02:21:46,790 --> 02:21:43,590
experiment and the way that you perform

2986
02:21:50,630 --> 02:21:46,800
this is you you take two ping-pong balls

2987
02:21:52,609 --> 02:21:50,640
and you use medical tape to seal up the

2988
02:21:54,200 --> 02:21:52,619
edges and you put it around your eyes so

2989
02:21:58,029 --> 02:21:54,210
the only thing your eyes can see is kind

2990
02:22:02,660 --> 02:21:58,039
of this milky opaque mists and then you

2991
02:22:04,399 --> 02:22:02,670
you take a pair of red lights and you

2992
02:22:06,500 --> 02:22:04,409
shine the red lights on them so it

2993
02:22:07,790 --> 02:22:06,510
almost feels like what you're seeing is

2994
02:22:10,160 --> 02:22:07,800
something like almost like with your

2995
02:22:12,590 --> 02:22:10,170
eyes closed and there's a light on your

2996
02:22:16,760 --> 02:22:12,600
eyes it's just to make sure that you

2997
02:22:19,519 --> 02:22:16,770
can't see anything and then you use a

2998
02:22:21,469 --> 02:22:19,529
pair of headphones and you pump in white

2999
02:22:24,469 --> 02:22:21,479
noise so it's just kind of the

3000
02:22:26,809 --> 02:22:24,479
television static sort of noise and you

3001
02:22:30,740 --> 02:22:26,819
relax yourself as much as possible and

3002
02:22:33,889 --> 02:22:30,750
then you just sort of zone out and the

3003
02:22:35,870 --> 02:22:33,899
theory behind this is that when all of

3004
02:22:39,349 --> 02:22:35,880
your senses are shut down when

3005
02:22:41,450 --> 02:22:39,359
everything is closed down your your

3006
02:22:44,599 --> 02:22:41,460
sixth sense your potential psychic

3007
02:22:45,439 --> 02:22:44,609
abilities kick in and and you can use

3008
02:22:48,130 --> 02:22:45,449
them better because you're not

3009
02:22:51,410 --> 02:22:48,140
overwhelmed by you know audio

3010
02:22:55,519 --> 02:22:51,420
sensitivity and visual sensitivity so

3011
02:22:58,010 --> 02:22:55,529
you're isolated you hear nothing you see

3012
02:23:00,109 --> 02:22:58,020
nothing and you're just laying there

3013
02:23:02,569 --> 02:23:00,119
trying attempting to be comfortable and

3014
02:23:05,450 --> 02:23:02,579
it doesn't take very long before you do

3015
02:23:08,120 --> 02:23:05,460
this when the visions begin do you know

3016
02:23:11,479 --> 02:23:08,130
how terrifying that is to watch it's

3017
02:23:14,269 --> 02:23:11,489
it's absolutely terrifying and so you

3018
02:23:17,630 --> 02:23:14,279
are telling me Dana next question is to

3019
02:23:23,559 --> 02:23:17,640
you you are telling me that you are your

3020
02:23:28,279 --> 02:23:23,569
eyes are open looking at this opaque red

3021
02:23:34,219 --> 02:23:28,289
milkiness listening to white noise right

3022
02:23:38,090 --> 02:23:34,229
how stupid is that it sounds crazy and

3023
02:23:39,139 --> 02:23:38,100
and it's funny because when you're even

3024
02:23:41,040 --> 02:23:39,149
when you're doing it

3025
02:23:43,500 --> 02:23:41,050
it feels terrifying because

3026
02:23:44,520 --> 02:23:43,510
you don't know what you're going to see

3027
02:23:46,440 --> 02:23:44,530
you don't know what you're going to

3028
02:23:49,460 --> 02:23:46,450
experience that's it that's it and so

3029
02:23:53,190 --> 02:23:49,470
for you Dana looking at your better half

3030
02:23:56,599 --> 02:23:53,200
going through that it's got to be pretty

3031
02:24:01,050 --> 02:23:56,609
unsettling for you pretty pretty intense

3032
02:24:04,309 --> 02:24:01,060
yeah I mean I on top of that we were in

3033
02:24:07,080 --> 02:24:04,319
a location that wasn't necessarily safe

3034
02:24:08,760 --> 02:24:07,090
you know with summer so there's spiders

3035
02:24:12,020 --> 02:24:08,770
and potentially poisonous snakes

3036
02:24:15,330 --> 02:24:12,030
everywhere so like I maybe goblins maybe

3037
02:24:17,040 --> 02:24:15,340
like an 11 and must once the stress

3038
02:24:20,300 --> 02:24:17,050
meter at this point in time because I'm

3039
02:24:22,020 --> 02:24:20,310
trying to keep my eyes on everything

3040
02:24:23,610 --> 02:24:22,030
because again

3041
02:24:26,280 --> 02:24:23,620
yeah like Greg is completely isolated

3042
02:24:28,650 --> 02:24:26,290
he's he he's cut off from the world at

3043
02:24:30,450 --> 02:24:28,660
this point in time so I we have to be

3044
02:24:32,429 --> 02:24:30,460
his eyes and his ears because he's going

3045
02:24:34,590 --> 02:24:32,439
to be experiencing things and he's not

3046
02:24:36,450 --> 02:24:34,600
going to be able to know um you know if

3047
02:24:38,250 --> 02:24:36,460
something if a board is about to crash

3048
02:24:41,280 --> 02:24:38,260
down on him or if you know if something

3049
02:24:44,340 --> 02:24:41,290
is gonna come out of the the space

3050
02:24:46,309 --> 02:24:44,350
around us so we were all really really

3051
02:24:49,679 --> 02:24:46,319
stressed out but I was definitely

3052
02:24:53,429 --> 02:24:49,689
definitely pushing uh you know at 11 or

3053
02:24:57,300 --> 02:24:53,439
12 yeah as a viewer I was pushing 11 or

3054
02:25:03,410 --> 02:24:57,310
12 and then everybody can go and watch

3055
02:25:09,480 --> 02:25:03,420
it the session ends but Greg you are

3056
02:25:13,429 --> 02:25:09,490
visually disturbed what what was going

3057
02:25:16,290 --> 02:25:13,439
through you took many many minutes to

3058
02:25:19,170 --> 02:25:16,300
orient yourself and you went through

3059
02:25:21,000 --> 02:25:19,180
something very terrifying you can go and

3060
02:25:22,500 --> 02:25:21,010
watch and see it was but I want to know

3061
02:25:24,840 --> 02:25:22,510
what was going on in your mind at that

3062
02:25:27,270 --> 02:25:24,850
moment when you sat up you took off the

3063
02:25:29,160 --> 02:25:27,280
headphones you sat there with the

3064
02:25:30,719 --> 02:25:29,170
ping-pong balls on for a few minutes you

3065
02:25:32,670 --> 02:25:30,729
didn't even make a move there I would

3066
02:25:37,230 --> 02:25:32,680
have ripped him off what was going

3067
02:25:40,440 --> 02:25:37,240
through your mind what what happened

3068
02:25:42,780 --> 02:25:40,450
you know people can see exactly how it

3069
02:25:47,130 --> 02:25:42,790
went down but the session ended before

3070
02:25:51,330 --> 02:25:47,140
it was supposed to something stopped the

3071
02:25:54,420 --> 02:25:51,340
session and it stopped it a pretty

3072
02:25:54,870 --> 02:25:54,430
frightening moment where things were

3073
02:25:56,460 --> 02:25:54,880
going

3074
02:25:58,740 --> 02:25:56,470
- they certainly seemed like they were

3075
02:26:01,490 --> 02:25:58,750
going to progress to a place that was

3076
02:26:03,689 --> 02:26:01,500
going to be pretty frightening and

3077
02:26:06,120 --> 02:26:03,699
something stopped it the white noise

3078
02:26:08,309 --> 02:26:06,130
actually stopped I think like 15 minutes

3079
02:26:11,340 --> 02:26:08,319
or so before it was supposed to so

3080
02:26:15,780 --> 02:26:11,350
something pulled me out of the session

3081
02:26:19,620 --> 02:26:15,790
and I had to process that for a minute

3082
02:26:23,160 --> 02:26:19,630
because not only what I was experiencing

3083
02:26:27,210 --> 02:26:23,170
was frightening and fairly extreme but

3084
02:26:29,479 --> 02:26:27,220
the fact that something decided no we're

3085
02:26:32,880 --> 02:26:29,489
not gonna let that happen was also

3086
02:26:35,939 --> 02:26:32,890
frightening so I'm you know my

3087
02:26:39,530 --> 02:26:35,949
experience in Hellyer was just

3088
02:26:42,120 --> 02:26:39,540
constantly processing fear and confusion

3089
02:26:45,540 --> 02:26:42,130
basically for a week in this you know

3090
02:26:49,070 --> 02:26:45,550
was it just another another chance to do

3091
02:26:52,320 --> 02:26:49,080
that it was a very intense moment and

3092
02:26:54,990 --> 02:26:52,330
which I'm you know again I'm leaving

3093
02:26:58,410 --> 02:26:55,000
episode 5 off of the table I just wanted

3094
02:27:00,389 --> 02:26:58,420
to know how you guys were dealing with

3095
02:27:03,149 --> 02:27:00,399
that emotionally both you know Dana's

3096
02:27:04,950 --> 02:27:03,159
witnessing what is going down and and so

3097
02:27:07,649 --> 02:27:04,960
is Connor and Rashad and Carl I mean

3098
02:27:12,240 --> 02:27:07,659
they're all standing there watching this

3099
02:27:15,929 --> 02:27:12,250
very very stressful of 1518 minute aware

3100
02:27:19,889 --> 02:27:15,939
that whatever was but for you I just had

3101
02:27:21,660 --> 02:27:19,899
to know I that I can't imagine what your

3102
02:27:23,340 --> 02:27:21,670
nerves were like coming out of that

3103
02:27:27,090 --> 02:27:23,350
because you sat there for a while pretty

3104
02:27:30,170 --> 02:27:27,100
disoriented yeah and then to come out of

3105
02:27:32,760 --> 02:27:30,180
it and have them say there were things

3106
02:27:40,449 --> 02:27:32,770
whispering to us yeah no you were doing

3107
02:27:44,290 --> 02:27:42,559
everybody we were talking about all of

3108
02:27:47,989 --> 02:27:44,300
that stuff off of the air that was uh

3109
02:27:50,210 --> 02:27:47,999
that was an intense that's uh that's

3110
02:27:52,399 --> 02:27:50,220
really well done all right you know what

3111
02:27:56,269 --> 02:27:52,409
I'm not ready to wrap up you guys want

3112
02:27:58,309 --> 02:27:56,279
to do some overtime sure yeah you guys

3113
02:28:00,080 --> 02:27:58,319
are too cool all right let's uh let's

3114
02:28:01,939 --> 02:28:00,090
take a break right here our guests

3115
02:28:03,889 --> 02:28:01,949
tonight are Greg and Dana Newkirk of

3116
02:28:06,260 --> 02:28:03,899
course we are talking about their new

3117
02:28:08,960 --> 02:28:06,270
docu-series it's called Hellyer it's on

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Amazon you can also click on the links

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over to me Church radio.com Hell your TV

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you've got to go and check it out and

3122
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where is this gonna continue this

3123
02:28:20,059 --> 02:28:18,420
conversation

3124
02:28:21,439 --> 02:28:20,069
it's fade to black I'm your Jimmy Church

3125
02:28:23,790 --> 02:28:21,449
we'll be right back after this short

3126
02:28:38,029 --> 02:28:23,800
break stay with us

3127
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3211
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3212
02:33:10,029 --> 02:33:07,659
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3213
02:33:13,599 --> 02:33:10,039
some overtime with tonight's guest Greg

3214
02:33:16,239 --> 02:33:13,609
and Dana Newkirk discussing their new

3215
02:33:18,609 --> 02:33:16,249
docu-series it's called Hellyer it's on

3216
02:33:21,039 --> 02:33:18,619
Amazon and you can go and check it out

3217
02:33:23,920 --> 02:33:21,049
there and of course hell your dot TV is

3218
02:33:28,269 --> 02:33:23,930
a it's streaming there and it's great

3219
02:33:32,260 --> 02:33:28,279
website cast and crew and and everything

3220
02:33:35,380 --> 02:33:32,270
Hellyer is there ok let's let's let's do

3221
02:33:40,569 --> 02:33:35,390
a little after-show stuff the series

3222
02:33:43,119 --> 02:33:40,579
premieres and with that every every

3223
02:33:45,550 --> 02:33:43,129
strange thing starts to come out of the

3224
02:33:50,500 --> 02:33:45,560
woodwork and you have to start to wade

3225
02:33:52,029 --> 02:33:50,510
through this how extensive was that oh I

3226
02:33:55,630 --> 02:33:52,039
mean we we haven't even scratched the

3227
02:33:58,510 --> 02:33:55,640
surface now it's been unbelievable

3228
02:34:00,760 --> 02:33:58,520
my inbox every day is is just constantly

3229
02:34:03,189 --> 02:34:00,770
getting you know personal stories from

3230
02:34:05,079 --> 02:34:03,199
Eastern Kentucky you know people who

3231
02:34:06,159 --> 02:34:05,089
want to help with you know something

3232
02:34:07,539 --> 02:34:06,169
else or people who've experienced

3233
02:34:10,750 --> 02:34:07,549
something similar in a completely

3234
02:34:14,909 --> 02:34:10,760
different part of the country so we have

3235
02:34:19,059 --> 02:34:14,919
our work cut out for us and what about

3236
02:34:21,250 --> 02:34:19,069
the other side which would be people

3237
02:34:24,189 --> 02:34:21,260
claiming to be from Helier or know

3238
02:34:26,590 --> 02:34:24,199
something about this case and and they

3239
02:34:30,729 --> 02:34:26,600
need to reach out to you how much of

3240
02:34:34,149 --> 02:34:30,739
that happened I think about as much as

3241
02:34:36,939 --> 02:34:34,159
we kind of expected and you know it's

3242
02:34:39,369 --> 02:34:36,949
it's it's just a matter of kind of doing

3243
02:34:41,109 --> 02:34:39,379
our due diligence and really going

3244
02:34:42,399 --> 02:34:41,119
through each one of those emails and

3245
02:34:44,439 --> 02:34:42,409
each one of those messages with the

3246
02:34:46,929 --> 02:34:44,449
fine-tooth comb and sort of you know

3247
02:34:48,939 --> 02:34:46,939
looking for signs that they potentially

3248
02:34:50,949 --> 02:34:48,949
could be you know from people who are

3249
02:34:53,260 --> 02:34:50,959
just trying to hoax us which is we were

3250
02:34:55,960 --> 02:34:53,270
fully expecting that so we were kind of

3251
02:34:58,539 --> 02:34:55,970
ready for it we'd had a meeting before

3252
02:35:01,539 --> 02:34:58,549
it came out you know we we keep in close

3253
02:35:04,750 --> 02:35:01,549
touch with Carl and Connor and we knew

3254
02:35:06,069 --> 02:35:04,760
that as soon as Helier dropped we were

3255
02:35:07,599 --> 02:35:06,079
gonna experience some of that we were

3256
02:35:10,539 --> 02:35:07,609
prepared for it and there's a lot of

3257
02:35:12,429 --> 02:35:10,549
information about the case that we still

3258
02:35:14,319 --> 02:35:12,439
have kept to ourselves so it's one of

3259
02:35:17,740 --> 02:35:14,329
the easiest ways to know who's telling

3260
02:35:19,990 --> 02:35:17,750
the truth and who's not right so

3261
02:35:22,719 --> 02:35:20,000
you know it like I said earlier in the

3262
02:35:25,360 --> 02:35:22,729
show there's fake David Christie

3263
02:35:27,370 --> 02:35:25,370
Facebook pages that have popped up and

3264
02:35:29,679 --> 02:35:27,380
people have tried to point us to them

3265
02:35:31,599 --> 02:35:29,689
but it's pretty obvious the people who

3266
02:35:34,179 --> 02:35:31,609
are telling the truth and the people who

3267
02:35:36,070 --> 02:35:34,189
aren't just because we've we still got

3268
02:35:40,929 --> 02:35:36,080
some details that we've we've kept

3269
02:35:46,150 --> 02:35:40,939
secret now has anybody step forward out

3270
02:35:48,969 --> 02:35:46,160
of Hellyer to that that you have vetted

3271
02:35:49,570 --> 02:35:48,979
that does have something to add to this

3272
02:35:52,630 --> 02:35:49,580
case

3273
02:35:55,059 --> 02:35:52,640
oh there's I mean dozens there's dozens

3274
02:35:57,460 --> 02:35:55,069
of people who've emailed who who used to

3275
02:36:01,420 --> 02:35:57,470
live in in Helier or at least in the

3276
02:36:04,690 --> 02:36:01,430
Greater Pikeville area that have similar

3277
02:36:06,910 --> 02:36:04,700
experiences people who you know claimed

3278
02:36:08,830 --> 02:36:06,920
to have had its three-toed footprints

3279
02:36:10,599 --> 02:36:08,840
and you know they know that they can

3280
02:36:13,059 --> 02:36:10,609
take us to a place where they saw these

3281
02:36:15,880 --> 02:36:13,069
things or people that have seen you know

3282
02:36:18,280 --> 02:36:15,890
UFOs one of the really interesting

3283
02:36:20,170 --> 02:36:18,290
things we started to notice towards the

3284
02:36:22,809 --> 02:36:20,180
end of our time in Helier and I think

3285
02:36:27,639 --> 02:36:22,819
this is barely touched on in the series

3286
02:36:30,849 --> 02:36:27,649
is there was this strange phenomena that

3287
02:36:32,139 --> 02:36:30,859
we started to experience where someone

3288
02:36:34,870 --> 02:36:32,149
we'd ask them hey have you ever seen

3289
02:36:36,040 --> 02:36:34,880
anything strange out here and they'll be

3290
02:36:37,660 --> 02:36:36,050
like well what are you talking about

3291
02:36:39,070 --> 02:36:37,670
we'd be like well you know UFOs or

3292
02:36:41,019 --> 02:36:39,080
strange creatures or anything like that

3293
02:36:42,820 --> 02:36:41,029
and they go no never I lived here all my

3294
02:36:44,260 --> 02:36:42,830
life and I've never seen like that and

3295
02:36:46,479 --> 02:36:44,270
then we're just you know shooting the

3296
02:36:48,190 --> 02:36:46,489
crap with them 15 minutes later they go

3297
02:36:50,800 --> 02:36:48,200
well there was that one time that that

3298
02:36:52,750 --> 02:36:50,810
you know gigantic UFO hovered over the

3299
02:36:54,280 --> 02:36:52,760
football field back in the 70s and

3300
02:36:56,170 --> 02:36:54,290
everybody kind of stared at it didn't

3301
02:37:00,190 --> 02:36:56,180
know what to do that type of thing

3302
02:37:02,860 --> 02:37:00,200
happened so much it started to become

3303
02:37:04,630 --> 02:37:02,870
obvious to us that something was going

3304
02:37:06,790 --> 02:37:04,640
on with people's memories

3305
02:37:09,940 --> 02:37:06,800
there's even a moment in the series

3306
02:37:12,309 --> 02:37:09,950
concerning David's house or the house we

3307
02:37:14,800 --> 02:37:12,319
at least thought was David's where we

3308
02:37:18,370 --> 02:37:14,810
even noticed that something was wrong

3309
02:37:21,550 --> 02:37:18,380
we couldn't remember things that is only

3310
02:37:24,490 --> 02:37:21,560
continued to get worse the more we've

3311
02:37:26,500 --> 02:37:24,500
dug into this case and it almost feels

3312
02:37:31,120 --> 02:37:26,510
like there's some sort of an external

3313
02:37:34,450 --> 02:37:31,130
force erasing things and what do you do

3314
02:37:38,380 --> 02:37:34,460
with that you both can answer this in

3315
02:37:41,950 --> 02:37:38,390
that you go into this feeling one way

3316
02:37:43,960 --> 02:37:41,960
you know a couple of years before and

3317
02:37:48,130 --> 02:37:43,970
the emails and the evidence that came in

3318
02:37:52,090 --> 02:37:48,140
and as things started to unfold you had

3319
02:37:55,060 --> 02:37:52,100
elements of every single segment of the

3320
02:37:59,320 --> 02:37:55,070
paranormal and supernatural and science

3321
02:38:02,650 --> 02:37:59,330
are all like coming together and these

3322
02:38:04,300 --> 02:38:02,660
dots are starting to get connected how

3323
02:38:07,330 --> 02:38:04,310
did you how did you start to process

3324
02:38:09,040 --> 02:38:07,340
that because it led you in so many

3325
02:38:15,120 --> 02:38:09,050
different directions but yet it was all

3326
02:38:18,130 --> 02:38:15,130
related it was oddly comforting to me

3327
02:38:21,910 --> 02:38:18,140
mostly just because at that point in

3328
02:38:23,230 --> 02:38:21,920
time you know for Greg and I we had kind

3329
02:38:25,570 --> 02:38:23,240
of dipped our toes and a lot of

3330
02:38:27,850 --> 02:38:25,580
different avenues of the paranormal we

3331
02:38:31,350 --> 02:38:27,860
had investigated Bigfoot we had you know

3332
02:38:34,780 --> 02:38:31,360
gone out with you apologists and and so

3333
02:38:36,880 --> 02:38:34,790
at that point in time it was really kind

3334
02:38:38,800 --> 02:38:36,890
of comforting for me to be coming to

3335
02:38:42,010 --> 02:38:38,810
this realization that it is all

3336
02:38:45,010 --> 02:38:42,020
connected and that it is all the same

3337
02:38:46,480 --> 02:38:45,020
thing and that you know all of these

3338
02:38:50,650 --> 02:38:46,490
different experiences that we were

3339
02:38:52,270 --> 02:38:50,660
having they were all we were having them

3340
02:38:53,890 --> 02:38:52,280
for a reason there was some couple there

3341
02:38:56,710 --> 02:38:53,900
was there was the phenomena trying to

3342
02:38:58,450 --> 02:38:56,720
get us to to acknowledge it and and for

3343
02:38:59,679 --> 02:38:58,460
me it was very comforting I don't know

3344
02:39:02,679 --> 02:38:59,689
Greg might have a different answer

3345
02:39:04,360 --> 02:39:02,689
I mean it's overwhelming for me I mean

3346
02:39:07,240 --> 02:39:04,370
it might be comforting today and it's a

3347
02:39:10,030 --> 02:39:07,250
bit overwhelming for me because you know

3348
02:39:12,520 --> 02:39:10,040
when you we've slowly gotten to the

3349
02:39:14,710 --> 02:39:12,530
point where we realized that it seemed

3350
02:39:16,540 --> 02:39:14,720
it certainly seems like most paranormal

3351
02:39:18,190 --> 02:39:16,550
phenomena is connected in some way

3352
02:39:20,590 --> 02:39:18,200
whether that's a mental way whether

3353
02:39:22,210 --> 02:39:20,600
that's a spiritual way I don't really

3354
02:39:24,670 --> 02:39:22,220
know that we're still we're still trying

3355
02:39:26,290 --> 02:39:24,680
to figure that out for ourselves but

3356
02:39:30,340 --> 02:39:26,300
when you get to that point where you're

3357
02:39:31,780 --> 02:39:30,350
like oh okay so this is connected to

3358
02:39:34,120 --> 02:39:31,790
this and this is connected to this and

3359
02:39:37,270 --> 02:39:34,130
something that feels greater than us is

3360
02:39:41,800 --> 02:39:37,280
pushing us in a direction it's a bit

3361
02:39:44,960 --> 02:39:41,810
overwhelming because you know my my

3362
02:39:46,429 --> 02:39:44,970
intelligent half goes should we be

3363
02:39:49,550 --> 02:39:46,439
doing this should we be paying attention

3364
02:39:52,880 --> 02:39:49,560
should we be following this because you

3365
02:39:54,950 --> 02:39:52,890
don't know what's on the other end and

3366
02:39:58,070 --> 02:39:54,960
that happens over and over it's very

3367
02:40:01,729 --> 02:39:58,080
interesting to see how you guys deal

3368
02:40:04,670 --> 02:40:01,739
with this any you know we we keep

3369
02:40:07,389 --> 02:40:04,680
bringing up ufology we're bringing a big

3370
02:40:10,099 --> 02:40:07,399
foot and we're bringing up cryptids

3371
02:40:13,099 --> 02:40:10,109
we're bringing up ghosts we're talking

3372
02:40:16,340 --> 02:40:13,109
about goblins right these are don't seem

3373
02:40:19,940 --> 02:40:16,350
to be connected at all but yet they are

3374
02:40:21,559 --> 02:40:19,950
clearly if you start to ignore this then

3375
02:40:23,210 --> 02:40:21,569
you are gonna miss the big picture and

3376
02:40:27,110 --> 02:40:23,220
possibly the answers that you're seeking

3377
02:40:31,729 --> 02:40:27,120
right well that's the thing that I love

3378
02:40:32,690 --> 02:40:31,739
so much about Helier as a project is you

3379
02:40:34,639 --> 02:40:32,700
know there's a problem

3380
02:40:36,110 --> 02:40:34,649
and and this is something that anyone

3381
02:40:37,370 --> 02:40:36,120
who's been in the paranormal field for

3382
02:40:38,750 --> 02:40:37,380
long enough and even people who are

3383
02:40:40,400 --> 02:40:38,760
watching from the outside if you pay

3384
02:40:43,760 --> 02:40:40,410
attention you'll notice this problem and

3385
02:40:46,639 --> 02:40:43,770
the problem is Bigfoot hunters don't

3386
02:40:48,910 --> 02:40:46,649
talk to you o Allah gist you otologist

3387
02:40:51,740 --> 02:40:48,920
don't talk to ghost hunters

3388
02:40:55,969 --> 02:40:51,750
there's this um it's almost like a

3389
02:40:59,210 --> 02:40:55,979
feeling like okay I got Bigfoot but at

3390
02:41:01,490 --> 02:40:59,220
least I don't believe in aliens at least

3391
02:41:02,780 --> 02:41:01,500
I'm not an idiot who believes in ghosts

3392
02:41:04,519 --> 02:41:02,790
that type of thing you know I didn't

3393
02:41:07,010 --> 02:41:04,529
write a lot of Bigfoot hunters are very

3394
02:41:08,300 --> 02:41:07,020
flesh and blood a lot of you apologists

3395
02:41:12,200 --> 02:41:08,310
are very nuts and bolts

3396
02:41:12,920 --> 02:41:12,210
if these people shared information with

3397
02:41:14,990 --> 02:41:12,930
each other

3398
02:41:16,729 --> 02:41:15,000
and they did cross over once in a while

3399
02:41:19,280 --> 02:41:16,739
they'd noticed that some of the stuff

3400
02:41:20,929 --> 02:41:19,290
that they're experiencing is so similar

3401
02:41:22,790 --> 02:41:20,939
to one another if they're just viewing

3402
02:41:24,620 --> 02:41:22,800
it through their own lenses and so I

3403
02:41:27,200 --> 02:41:24,630
think that's one of the coolest things

3404
02:41:30,200 --> 02:41:27,210
about Helier as it shows that there is

3405
02:41:32,990 --> 02:41:30,210
crossover and it's it's woken a lot of

3406
02:41:34,429 --> 02:41:33,000
people up to that idea you know people

3407
02:41:35,030 --> 02:41:34,439
were confused they're like why are they

3408
02:41:36,889 --> 02:41:35,040
using

3409
02:41:38,809 --> 02:41:36,899
you know parapsychology equipment to

3410
02:41:41,269 --> 02:41:38,819
talk to goblins I don't understand

3411
02:41:43,370 --> 02:41:41,279
but as they watch they start to realize

3412
02:41:45,139 --> 02:41:43,380
oh they're doing that because there's

3413
02:41:49,820 --> 02:41:45,149
really not a big difference between this

3414
02:41:52,820 --> 02:41:49,830
stuff and so it's it's different than

3415
02:41:54,860 --> 02:41:52,830
what people would expect especially

3416
02:41:56,900 --> 02:41:54,870
people who are fans of paranormal

3417
02:41:58,370 --> 02:41:56,910
television when they're very used to

3418
02:42:01,400 --> 02:41:58,380
very cutting

3419
02:42:03,889 --> 02:42:01,410
a three-act structure there's a goblin

3420
02:42:05,240 --> 02:42:03,899
there's a town we're gonna go we're

3421
02:42:07,520 --> 02:42:05,250
gonna interview people we're gonna do an

3422
02:42:10,040 --> 02:42:07,530
investigation we're gonna find a goblin

3423
02:42:11,900 --> 02:42:10,050
it doesn't work like that because that's

3424
02:42:16,190 --> 02:42:11,910
really not how paranormal investigation

3425
02:42:18,620 --> 02:42:16,200
works it is a series of twists and turns

3426
02:42:20,690 --> 02:42:18,630
and dead ends and carrots and sometimes

3427
02:42:23,960 --> 02:42:20,700
the answers that you get aren't

3428
02:42:25,840 --> 02:42:23,970
convenient for your own worldview and I

3429
02:42:29,360 --> 02:42:25,850
think showing that is really important

3430
02:42:35,030 --> 02:42:29,370
there was something else that kept

3431
02:42:37,880 --> 02:42:35,040
coming up throughout the series and I

3432
02:42:43,420 --> 02:42:37,890
want your reaction to this I heard over

3433
02:42:46,310 --> 02:42:43,430
and over and over again three years ago

3434
02:42:48,500 --> 02:42:46,320
all right three years ago this happened

3435
02:42:51,620 --> 02:42:48,510
and well yeah well I mean yeah but three

3436
02:42:53,780 --> 02:42:51,630
years ago three years ago three years

3437
02:42:56,330 --> 02:42:53,790
ago and I and I was sitting there going

3438
02:42:59,240 --> 02:42:56,340
well that's kind of about the time the

3439
02:43:03,050 --> 02:42:59,250
first email came in and that's kind of

3440
02:43:07,550 --> 02:43:03,060
about the time here and this is so what

3441
02:43:10,580 --> 02:43:07,560
did you pick up on that oh yeah I think

3442
02:43:15,020 --> 02:43:10,590
the question that we left Hellyer with

3443
02:43:18,560 --> 02:43:15,030
is is this cyclical is this something is

3444
02:43:22,520 --> 02:43:18,570
the phenomena cyclical and it seems to

3445
02:43:24,410 --> 02:43:22,530
just appear to us that it is and you

3446
02:43:26,960 --> 02:43:24,420
know one of the things that Carl in

3447
02:43:29,570 --> 02:43:26,970
particular has done and you see glimpses

3448
02:43:32,179 --> 02:43:29,580
of this in the series is he has a map

3449
02:43:35,750 --> 02:43:32,189
and he's been pinpointing things with

3450
02:43:39,290 --> 02:43:35,760
dates and areas and locations and lots

3451
02:43:41,179 --> 02:43:39,300
of red yarn and it's getting to the

3452
02:43:44,929 --> 02:43:41,189
point where I think the big question now

3453
02:43:46,820 --> 02:43:44,939
is if if it is cyclical and we can

3454
02:43:48,350 --> 02:43:46,830
pinpoint these things and where these

3455
02:43:50,600 --> 02:43:48,360
things are happening and we can figure

3456
02:43:53,360 --> 02:43:50,610
out a pattern can we get to the point

3457
02:43:55,429 --> 02:43:53,370
where we can predict the next flap area

3458
02:43:57,590 --> 02:43:55,439
where we can predict where this thing is

3459
02:44:00,440 --> 02:43:57,600
going to emerge next and I think that's

3460
02:44:02,150 --> 02:44:00,450
a big part of what we're onto now Dana I

3461
02:44:05,000 --> 02:44:02,160
want to hear your answer to that this

3462
02:44:09,560 --> 02:44:05,010
whole three years ago comment which

3463
02:44:12,230 --> 02:44:09,570
which seem to repeat itself

3464
02:44:14,121 --> 02:44:12,240
you're thinking from a different mindset

3465
02:44:16,970 --> 02:44:14,131
what what were you thinking about this

3466
02:44:20,860 --> 02:44:16,980
this three years ago comment that just

3467
02:44:24,051 --> 02:44:20,870
kept getting repeated I look at it as

3468
02:44:27,171 --> 02:44:24,061
another another synchronicity and

3469
02:44:29,900 --> 02:44:27,181
another sign another post like what for

3470
02:44:31,820 --> 02:44:29,910
me my brain instantly goes to astrology

3471
02:44:35,180 --> 02:44:31,830
and I'm trying to see if there's

3472
02:44:37,490 --> 02:44:35,190
correlations between you know said date

3473
02:44:39,320 --> 02:44:37,500
at you know three years ago and and the

3474
02:44:41,990 --> 02:44:39,330
date that we're talking about now I feel

3475
02:44:43,581 --> 02:44:42,000
like all of those things are again

3476
02:44:45,381 --> 02:44:43,591
they're these signposts that we're

3477
02:44:48,560 --> 02:44:45,391
supposed to be looking into what was

3478
02:44:49,671 --> 02:44:48,570
happening at that time it's important to

3479
02:44:51,201 --> 02:44:49,681
look into what was happening at that

3480
02:44:52,970 --> 02:44:51,211
time because it's gonna give us a lot

3481
02:44:55,610 --> 02:44:52,980
more insight into what we potentially

3482
02:44:59,390 --> 02:44:55,620
should be looking for in the future and

3483
02:45:02,360 --> 02:44:59,400
the the three years ago comments was

3484
02:45:06,020 --> 02:45:02,370
coming from people that it was in

3485
02:45:07,850 --> 02:45:06,030
different timelines and different scenes

3486
02:45:09,770 --> 02:45:07,860
they weren't all you know grouped

3487
02:45:12,470 --> 02:45:09,780
together you know saying three years ago

3488
02:45:15,261 --> 02:45:12,480
this was coming from different sources

3489
02:45:17,810 --> 02:45:15,271
and different witnesses but clearly

3490
02:45:20,780 --> 02:45:17,820
something went down three years ago when

3491
02:45:23,001 --> 02:45:20,790
Helier that was a pretty significant and

3492
02:45:25,511 --> 02:45:23,011
a tight end you know to the UFO that was

3493
02:45:29,541 --> 02:45:25,521
over the town all day long

3494
02:45:32,480 --> 02:45:29,551
certainly with a David Christie's email

3495
02:45:34,371 --> 02:45:32,490
coming in to you it was a pretty

3496
02:45:35,980 --> 02:45:34,381
significant moment for the for the town

3497
02:45:39,081 --> 02:45:35,990
of Hellyer wasn't it

3498
02:45:44,930 --> 02:45:39,091
well there's another aspect to this too

3499
02:45:49,961 --> 02:45:44,940
where it almost seems like certain

3500
02:45:53,780 --> 02:45:49,971
actions trigger a certain response and

3501
02:45:55,341 --> 02:45:53,790
whatever happened then something

3502
02:45:56,900 --> 02:45:55,351
triggered something and something

3503
02:45:58,430 --> 02:45:56,910
something triggered all of this

3504
02:46:00,890 --> 02:45:58,440
phenomena this high strangeness that was

3505
02:46:02,961 --> 02:46:00,900
happening in Helier one of the things

3506
02:46:06,440 --> 02:46:02,971
that I can say about where the case is

3507
02:46:10,461 --> 02:46:06,450
now is it seems very obvious to us now

3508
02:46:14,211 --> 02:46:10,471
that us going to hell yer triggered

3509
02:46:16,551 --> 02:46:14,221
something else to happen and that is has

3510
02:46:19,390 --> 02:46:16,561
been consistent and so this idea of

3511
02:46:21,921 --> 02:46:19,400
things happening on a specific date

3512
02:46:23,389 --> 02:46:21,931
there's things that will be revealed in

3513
02:46:25,490 --> 02:46:23,399
the second season

3514
02:46:28,219 --> 02:46:25,500
that happened on significant dates that

3515
02:46:32,389 --> 02:46:28,229
we had no idea until until much later

3516
02:46:35,630 --> 02:46:32,399
so dates and times and places are

3517
02:46:38,270 --> 02:46:35,640
important because they are triggers to

3518
02:46:41,030 --> 02:46:38,280
starting something else it's like you

3519
02:46:43,280 --> 02:46:41,040
just flick a domino and then everything

3520
02:46:46,340 --> 02:46:43,290
else starts to go and I think what's

3521
02:46:48,500 --> 02:46:46,350
really interesting is our experience in

3522
02:46:50,510 --> 02:46:48,510
hell you're the second time the reason

3523
02:46:53,179 --> 02:46:50,520
it's so much different from the first

3524
02:46:56,710 --> 02:46:53,189
time is because something had changed

3525
02:47:01,790 --> 02:46:56,720
and we needed to go to hell yer and

3526
02:47:04,610 --> 02:47:01,800
maybe do something to start or or at

3527
02:47:06,980 --> 02:47:04,620
least continue that domino effect and it

3528
02:47:12,950 --> 02:47:06,990
and it continued once we got there and

3529
02:47:14,840 --> 02:47:12,960
did the thing it continued the okay I'm

3530
02:47:18,260 --> 02:47:14,850
just gonna push you guys as high as far

3531
02:47:21,200 --> 02:47:18,270
as I can push you when it comes to David

3532
02:47:26,630 --> 02:47:21,210
Christie or or Terry wrist

3533
02:47:30,950 --> 02:47:26,640
have they resurfaced that would be a big

3534
02:47:33,560 --> 02:47:30,960
spoiler I can't say so they did all I

3535
02:47:35,480 --> 02:47:33,570
can say is keep watching well so they

3536
02:47:42,349 --> 02:47:35,490
did otherwise you would say no they

3537
02:47:44,929 --> 02:47:42,359
didn't so they'd a be okay let's say if

3538
02:47:51,130 --> 02:47:44,939
let's say if they did Dana

3539
02:47:55,990 --> 02:47:51,140
I'll ask Dana Dana if they did surface

3540
02:48:04,310 --> 02:47:56,000
would you have met them in person I

3541
02:48:11,320 --> 02:48:04,320
think I knew I did that the right way I

3542
02:48:13,550 --> 02:48:11,330
think that's the goal anyway goal is

3543
02:48:16,910 --> 02:48:13,560
well I think this is the question are

3544
02:48:18,889 --> 02:48:16,920
David and Terry the same person I think

3545
02:48:22,700 --> 02:48:18,899
let's put you on that question well our

3546
02:48:28,070 --> 02:48:22,710
David Terry same person and and how do

3547
02:48:29,780 --> 02:48:28,080
we know how do we know God it's so I'm

3548
02:48:34,900 --> 02:48:29,790
like walking through a minefield right

3549
02:48:37,160 --> 02:48:34,910
now how do we know how to find Terry and

3550
02:48:39,650 --> 02:48:37,170
how do we know he was

3551
02:48:43,960 --> 02:48:39,660
real person I think that is one of the

3552
02:48:50,090 --> 02:48:43,970
things that we're we're onto now and

3553
02:48:53,120 --> 02:48:50,100
finding Terry and finding why this

3554
02:48:55,940 --> 02:48:53,130
happened that's why that's the question

3555
02:48:59,179 --> 02:48:55,950
that's the question are you were you

3556
02:49:00,920 --> 02:48:59,189
able to I'm excited for for for part two

3557
02:49:06,170 --> 02:49:00,930
here there's no doubt about it

3558
02:49:08,210 --> 02:49:06,180
were you able to go back and and get one

3559
02:49:13,910 --> 02:49:08,220
of the biggest questions resolved here

3560
02:49:19,250 --> 02:49:13,920
why your original geo cities web site

3561
02:49:23,120 --> 02:49:19,260
and email why was that selected by David

3562
02:49:25,370 --> 02:49:23,130
or Terry or or or if you know that but

3563
02:49:29,179 --> 02:49:25,380
were you able to get that answer that's

3564
02:49:31,929 --> 02:49:29,189
that's hanging out there for me I will

3565
02:49:34,670 --> 02:49:31,939
answer your question this way I don't I

3566
02:49:37,280 --> 02:49:34,680
I can't give you a certain answer to

3567
02:49:40,219 --> 02:49:37,290
this all I can tell you is what I think

3568
02:49:44,000 --> 02:49:40,229
now and I think what a lot of us in this

3569
02:49:48,520 --> 02:49:44,010
in this case have come to think is time

3570
02:49:51,560 --> 02:49:48,530
is not linear time is linear for us so

3571
02:49:55,730 --> 02:49:51,570
somebody sending me that email back then

3572
02:50:00,350 --> 02:49:55,740
would have meant nothing but if someone

3573
02:50:04,580 --> 02:50:00,360
had a sufficiently far enough view of

3574
02:50:07,100 --> 02:50:04,590
time they would know that in a few years

3575
02:50:09,320 --> 02:50:07,110
we would be in a position where that

3576
02:50:13,420 --> 02:50:09,330
would mean something that's exactly the

3577
02:50:18,620 --> 02:50:13,430
point I find that so bizarrely strange

3578
02:50:23,420 --> 02:50:18,630
that it was sent to at that time on that

3579
02:50:25,490 --> 02:50:23,430
website to somebody that would later you

3580
02:50:31,120 --> 02:50:25,500
know obviously partner up with Dana and

3581
02:50:35,090 --> 02:50:31,130
and go off to a very successful

3582
02:50:36,650 --> 02:50:35,100
paranormal research career and become

3583
02:50:38,990 --> 02:50:36,660
somebody that is you know part of our

3584
02:50:41,570 --> 02:50:39,000
community but you wouldn't know that

3585
02:50:43,370 --> 02:50:41,580
going off of that Geocities website with

3586
02:50:47,570 --> 02:50:43,380
a bunch of kids with torches and

3587
02:50:51,650 --> 02:50:47,580
battle-axes and and there's a moment in

3588
02:50:56,060 --> 02:50:51,660
the fifth episode where we call our

3589
02:50:58,340 --> 02:50:56,070
really good friend John Tenney is one of

3590
02:51:00,140 --> 02:50:58,350
the people that we respect the most in

3591
02:51:01,219 --> 02:51:00,150
this field we've learned a lot from him

3592
02:51:02,750 --> 02:51:01,229
and he's been around a long time and

3593
02:51:05,060 --> 02:51:02,760
experienced a lot of stuff and in a

3594
02:51:07,820 --> 02:51:05,070
moment of frustration you know he's kind

3595
02:51:10,429 --> 02:51:07,830
of he's Gramps he's who we call we need

3596
02:51:14,900 --> 02:51:10,439
some advice and he says something that

3597
02:51:19,480 --> 02:51:14,910
has stuck with us continuously and that

3598
02:51:23,360 --> 02:51:19,490
is this will not make sense to you on a

3599
02:51:25,460 --> 02:51:23,370
linear timeline these types of things

3600
02:51:27,679 --> 02:51:25,470
typically in the paranormal the longer

3601
02:51:30,110 --> 02:51:27,689
you do it the more you realize some

3602
02:51:31,940 --> 02:51:30,120
things only make sense once you have the

3603
02:51:34,520 --> 02:51:31,950
right context so you're getting chunks

3604
02:51:38,420 --> 02:51:34,530
here and there so if we are dealing with

3605
02:51:41,420 --> 02:51:38,430
somebody or something that is more than

3606
02:51:44,870 --> 02:51:41,430
us they would have a better idea of how

3607
02:51:53,870 --> 02:51:44,880
to specifically line things up so that

3608
02:51:56,000 --> 02:51:53,880
something specific occurs yes all that

3609
02:51:58,429 --> 02:51:56,010
from 10 II was great but he says

3610
02:52:07,250 --> 02:51:58,439
something else had just floored me he

3611
02:52:11,780 --> 02:52:07,260
goes and you will lose your mind just

3612
02:52:14,090 --> 02:52:11,790
floored me well congratulations I mean

3613
02:52:16,550 --> 02:52:14,100
the the series is great it's it's so

3614
02:52:19,010 --> 02:52:16,560
well done and I think there's a lot in

3615
02:52:21,260 --> 02:52:19,020
it for everybody no matter what part of

3616
02:52:24,050 --> 02:52:21,270
this community that you come from and

3617
02:52:25,730 --> 02:52:24,060
any research because every you know

3618
02:52:29,500 --> 02:52:25,740
there's a little bit of everything in

3619
02:52:33,920 --> 02:52:29,510
there for us all but when can we expect

3620
02:52:36,890 --> 02:52:33,930
the next installment we started shooting

3621
02:52:39,590 --> 02:52:36,900
it in December and like I said it's it's

3622
02:52:41,360 --> 02:52:39,600
much bigger now the scope is much wider

3623
02:52:45,830 --> 02:52:41,370
which I think people will get a feel for

3624
02:52:47,810 --> 02:52:45,840
when they finish the series so it I

3625
02:52:50,300 --> 02:52:47,820
assume it would probably come out

3626
02:52:52,940 --> 02:52:50,310
sometime early next year it really just

3627
02:52:55,370 --> 02:52:52,950
depends on what we get on to and how

3628
02:52:57,960 --> 02:52:55,380
much support the first season gets so

3629
02:53:00,240 --> 02:52:57,970
we're we're hard at work we were

3630
02:53:02,580 --> 02:53:00,250
at work Carl is already editing things

3631
02:53:05,700 --> 02:53:02,590
he's sending us little he's the worst

3632
02:53:07,080 --> 02:53:05,710
because he waits until there's nothing

3633
02:53:08,880 --> 02:53:07,090
going on and then he'll just go good

3634
02:53:11,190 --> 02:53:08,890
morning and he'll send us a clip that

3635
02:53:13,019 --> 02:53:11,200
will blow our minds and just make us

3636
02:53:15,570 --> 02:53:13,029
excited for it to be finished yeah he

3637
02:53:18,740 --> 02:53:15,580
started he said he's such an interesting

3638
02:53:23,160 --> 02:53:18,750
guy and he's also in Loveland and our

3639
02:53:25,969 --> 02:53:23,170
conference is in Loveland over the July

3640
02:53:28,500 --> 02:53:25,979
4th weekend our sole tech conference and

3641
02:53:30,570 --> 02:53:28,510
I would love for him to come up and hang

3642
02:53:35,300 --> 02:53:30,580
out that'd be really cool you know

3643
02:53:38,780 --> 02:53:35,310
Loveland is about the size of my hand so

3644
02:53:41,639 --> 02:53:38,790
he can walk there from wherever he lives

3645
02:53:45,450 --> 02:53:41,649
you guys are getting ready to head on

3646
02:53:48,570 --> 02:53:45,460
the road what are you doing we were

3647
02:53:50,250 --> 02:53:48,580
getting ready for our 2019 traveling

3648
02:53:52,830 --> 02:53:50,260
museum of the paranormal and then he in

3649
02:53:56,099 --> 02:53:52,840
the occult exhibitions so we're on our

3650
02:53:57,990 --> 02:53:56,109
way to the Queen Mary out in Long Beach

3651
02:54:00,240 --> 02:53:58,000
California and then the next weekend

3652
02:54:02,729 --> 02:54:00,250
we're gonna be in Hawaii and then it's

3653
02:54:04,500 --> 02:54:02,739
just kind of a full-court press for the

3654
02:54:07,349 --> 02:54:04,510
rest of the year all over the country

3655
02:54:09,300 --> 02:54:07,359
with our traveling museum wait a minute

3656
02:54:13,320 --> 02:54:09,310
you're gonna be in my backyard

3657
02:54:16,019 --> 02:54:13,330
this weekend yeah I think we get into

3658
02:54:17,849 --> 02:54:16,029
town Thursday night Thursday night you

3659
02:54:22,050 --> 02:54:17,859
are gonna be at the Queen Mary

3660
02:54:25,080 --> 02:54:22,060
this weekend March 8th 9th and 10th you

3661
02:54:26,639 --> 02:54:25,090
got it yeah with strange escapes okay

3662
02:54:28,800 --> 02:54:26,649
Rita we're heading we're gonna have

3663
02:54:33,420 --> 02:54:28,810
dinner in Long Beach with a Dana and

3664
02:54:35,580 --> 02:54:33,430
Greg let's do it I guess we're heading

3665
02:54:37,530 --> 02:54:35,590
south let's get that set up I want to

3666
02:54:39,150 --> 02:54:37,540
check it out I didn't you said you were

3667
02:54:40,320 --> 02:54:39,160
heading west you didn't say that you

3668
02:54:43,620 --> 02:54:40,330
were heading into my neighborhood

3669
02:54:46,920 --> 02:54:43,630
there's a difference well it all blends

3670
02:54:49,590 --> 02:54:46,930
together you know the from Spring until

3671
02:54:52,740 --> 02:54:49,600
fall where we live on the road basically

3672
02:54:54,300 --> 02:54:52,750
so sometimes I forget it's a good thing

3673
02:54:57,269 --> 02:54:54,310
I have Dana to keep my head wrapped

3674
02:55:02,010 --> 02:54:57,279
around straight yeah I speak I speak the

3675
02:55:06,080 --> 02:55:02,020
same language there but the the dates

3676
02:55:08,550 --> 02:55:06,090
for the traveling museum are at weird HQ

3677
02:55:11,309 --> 02:55:08,560
they're actually if you go to para

3678
02:55:11,940 --> 02:55:11,319
museum com you can find all the dates

3679
02:55:15,060 --> 02:55:11,950
for the rest

3680
02:55:16,620 --> 02:55:15,070
we're adding dates constantly so if if

3681
02:55:18,870 --> 02:55:16,630
there you don't see your town on there

3682
02:55:20,850 --> 02:55:18,880
just keep checking and if you want to

3683
02:55:23,671 --> 02:55:20,860
somewhere just let somebody know we're

3684
02:55:25,770 --> 02:55:23,681
always down to travel absolutely amazing

3685
02:55:28,020 --> 02:55:25,780
conversation tonight and and this series

3686
02:55:29,460 --> 02:55:28,030
is great congratulations on that you

3687
02:55:35,370 --> 02:55:29,470
guys deserve it

3688
02:55:38,011 --> 02:55:35,380
that is Matata it was that you guys just

3689
02:55:41,070 --> 02:55:38,021
documented the events in a chronological

3690
02:55:43,261 --> 02:55:41,080
order and and laid it out there so

3691
02:55:45,540 --> 02:55:43,271
everybody could see this thing unfold

3692
02:55:47,881 --> 02:55:45,550
from start to finish and you couldn't do

3693
02:55:49,881 --> 02:55:47,891
that in a 90-minute documentary it had

3694
02:55:53,060 --> 02:55:49,891
to be it had to be done this way and

3695
02:55:56,220 --> 02:55:53,070
congratulations on a labor of love

3696
02:55:58,200 --> 02:55:56,230
absolutely I really appreciate it and it

3697
02:55:59,671 --> 02:55:58,210
really meant a lot that you had us on to

3698
02:56:02,091 --> 02:55:59,681
talk about it I really appreciate that

3699
02:56:05,250 --> 02:56:02,101
alright and I guess we'll see you guys

3700
02:56:07,171 --> 02:56:05,260
today's Monday safe travels and we'll

3701
02:56:10,710 --> 02:56:07,181
see you this weekend down on Long Beach

3702
02:56:13,890 --> 02:56:10,720
thank you so much thanks man thank you

3703
02:56:18,080 --> 02:56:13,900
Thank You Dana and Greg Newkirk thank

3704
02:56:25,051 --> 02:56:20,730
amazing conversation tonight now go over

3705
02:56:26,011 --> 02:56:25,061
to it's very simple go over to Jimmy

3706
02:56:28,110 --> 02:56:26,021
Church radio.com

3707
02:56:30,810 --> 02:56:28,120
and you can see Greg and Dana's a

3708
02:56:35,070 --> 02:56:30,820
section on the homepage right there and

3709
02:56:38,131 --> 02:56:35,080
weird HQ and Hell your dot TV are at the

3710
02:56:41,070 --> 02:56:38,141
bottom and you can also see and click on

3711
02:56:43,830 --> 02:56:41,080
both of those but you can go straight to

3712
02:56:46,530 --> 02:56:43,840
Amazon and just look up Hellyer and

3713
02:56:51,240 --> 02:56:46,540
it'll pop up right there it's it's

3714
02:56:53,850 --> 02:56:51,250
pretty amazing and I I was at I was at

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the point when I was binging it where I

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was just stopped in my tracks and I knew

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at that point that we had to get them on

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the show it's it's first off for me it's

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too important of a docu-series

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but the other part is when I do this

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show night after night or you know year

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after year and I'm talking about all of

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these subjects and and I see it play out

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in this series like I did bringing them

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on to give you the background of this of

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everything so you can go back and watch

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02:57:32,840 --> 02:57:31,050
it knowing the information that you got

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02:57:35,630 --> 02:57:32,850
from Greg and Dana tonight will make it

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02:57:38,809 --> 02:57:35,640
all that more special so go and check it

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out hell you're on Amazon and with that

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I want to let everybody know what's

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going on for the rest of the week here

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tomorrow night Mitch Horowitz

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is here and it's going to be a great

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02:57:53,030 --> 02:57:50,550
conversation and not only are we going

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02:57:55,490 --> 02:57:53,040
to discuss Mitch's two books and what

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02:57:58,340 --> 02:57:55,500
he's working on now but he's also one of

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our featured speakers for our soul tech

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conference coming up over the July 4th

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weekend so we're gonna get a sneak

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preview on what he is going to be

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presenting at Soul tech Wednesday night

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is our sole tech special event which is

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also premiering our new documentary it

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is called boarding benevolence that was

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shot up at soul tech 2018 at ISA T ranch

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and I'm very proud of the documentary

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and we will have a few very cool special

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02:58:33,380 --> 02:58:31,350
guests on Wednesday night Thursday night

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of course is another Fator night with

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open lines all night long I am your host

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02:58:43,189 --> 02:58:39,359
Jimmy Church fade to black cigs ecute

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02:58:45,939 --> 02:58:43,199
oppressor is Rita Kumari on the show is

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produced by hilton jaipur na denison BOM

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announcers our Steve harder Jean Vito

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02:58:54,139 --> 02:58:51,210
mrdiko var webmaster is drew the geek

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02:58:57,469 --> 02:58:54,149
music doug aldrich intro space boys

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02:59:03,740 --> 02:58:57,479
space boy music calm fade to black is

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produced by kjsurya the planet as

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podcasts own a copyright of 2019 by

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02:59:10,370 --> 02:59:07,830
theta black and the GameChanger network

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02:59:12,019 --> 02:59:10,380
they cannot be rebroadcast downloaded

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02:59:14,269 --> 02:59:12,029
copied or used anywhere in the known

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02:59:16,040 --> 02:59:14,279
universe without written permission from

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fade to black of the GameChanger network

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I'm your host Jimmy Church I'll see

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02:59:24,200 --> 02:59:19,590
everybody here tomorrow night follow me

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02:59:27,940 --> 02:59:24,210
on Twitter at JDO until then everybody

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02:59:39,100 --> 02:59:27,950
be safe go back late Appy